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05-29-2019 , 03:11 PM
7 Handed game because the fish went broke. People are very active with 3b. But there weren't alot of 4b's yet.

Hero: Has a tight aggressive Image. Maybe a little card dead and on the tighter side. But also mixed in some 3b and one time i tripple barreld another guy of a hand. (V2)

V1: Because the 5/10 table broke, this guy came to our table with a huge stack. I was pretty sure that he is a good winning lag. He weared a phill hellmuth cage and was talkative. I saw some 3bs from him before.

Hero: 1000
V1: 2300
V:1300
TTH:

Hero opens 77 Utg2 for 20, V2 calls, V1 3b to 90 on the button. For me it was clear i want to defend somehow against his wide 3b. I saw that the other player is going to fold. I decided to call and play poker. After the Hand i thought 4b would be easier. What kind of size do you use? 230?

Flop came down: KK2 with 2 Diamonds. I have the 7 of Diamond.
Hero checks and V1 cbets 70 and hero calls.
Turn: Q hero checks V1 bets 240. For me the large sizing was kind of a sing that he is on the nuts or on a bluff, its more polarazed
Hero? I thought about all 3 options. What do you prefer here? Raise for information and to deny equity or hope to check it down?
Thanks for you input
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05-29-2019 , 03:30 PM
Folding pre is an option, but I don’t hate a call.
If you were going to test him I would have done it on the flop, not the turn.
But personally, I would just let it go AP and wait for a better spot.
Trying to outplay solid players that 3! you on the button when you have a middling hand is not a recipe for long term success.
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05-29-2019 , 03:32 PM
Even if you raised the flop, I almost guarantee this guy just calls with a pretty wide range to see what you do on the turn.
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05-29-2019 , 03:47 PM
idk what's happening here. Just fold to the 3b pre for now. AP ckf turn.
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05-29-2019 , 04:22 PM
Grunch: I prefer to limp 77 this deep from utg+1 under most circumstances in cash games (tournament way different). Let BTN raise wide so I can set-mine or cover low boards getting c. 70-1 IO.

AP pre: once we've opened, we can either cap ourselves oop or 4b/fold. I prefer the latter, mainly because I'm not good enough to play tricky Vs this deep oop.

Flop: I think this flop should be xr/fold against his BTN 3b range. Basically, you say to V: "I may have a K but I certainly have at least a pair. I don't think you have a pair or a K here". His bet is really a blocker to maintain his initiative. It prices in the FD, suggesting he has Ad or Qd anyway.

AP: Plenty of Qx in his BTN 3b range. He bets much bigger now - no more blocker. He now wants to defend his AQs against a FD and charge your out-kicked Queens or skeptical mid-pairs.

If we call turn we have 600 behind and SPR is getting low. I'd rather xr jam than call. So I'm folding. Calling makes little sense.

I don't mean to be harsh. But Hero created this gross, deep oop spot against a capable V. Hero wanted to play poker. Stationing off 3 streets in minimum defense mode isn't much poker here.
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05-29-2019 , 04:26 PM
Fold pre, especially when you see the other guy wants to fold. 4b is spew.

call flop fine

fold turn.
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05-29-2019 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Fold pre, especially when you see the other guy wants to fold. 4b is spew.
Big +1.
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05-29-2019 , 04:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Minatorr
Fold pre, especially when you see the other guy wants to fold. 4b is spew.

call flop fine

fold turn.

This x100
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05-29-2019 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
Flop: I think this flop should be xr
If you want to make things even more complicated, then yes, I agree.

I agree with the "Just fold pre for now. As played check/fold turn."-responses.
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05-29-2019 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
If you want to make things even more complicated, then yes, I agree.

I agree with the "Just fold pre for now. As played check/fold turn."-responses.
Totally agree with folding pre and AP fold turn. I think I stated this. I don’t think I’d find myself in this situation outside of a tournament.

My only point is that x r / fold flop against BTN raising range is better than stationing off three streets in minimum defense mode. Let me know if you disagree as I very much respect your input. Thanks!
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05-29-2019 , 10:05 PM
4b small is sweet if the squeezer is in the blinds
you get to over realize equity with mid pairs

easy fold turn, you're only supposed to continue with a % of your range on each street and 77 is the bottom of your range
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05-29-2019 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by iguanadiver
7 Handed game because the fish went broke. People are very active with 3b. But there weren't alot of 4b's yet.



Hero: Has a tight aggressive Image. Maybe a little card dead and on the tighter side. But also mixed in some 3b and one time i tripple barreld another guy of a hand. (V2)



V1: Because the 5/10 table broke, this guy came to our table with a huge stack. I was pretty sure that he is a good winning lag. He weared a phill hellmuth cage and was talkative. I saw some 3bs from him before.



Hero: 1000

V1: 2300

V:1300

TTH:



Hero opens 77 Utg2 for 20, V2 calls, V1 3b to 90 on the button. For me it was clear i want to defend somehow against his wide 3b. I saw that the other player is going to fold. I decided to call and play poker. After the Hand i thought 4b would be easier. What kind of size do you use? 230?



Flop came down: KK2 with 2 Diamonds. I have the 7 of Diamond.

Hero checks and V1 cbets 70 and hero calls.

Turn: Q hero checks V1 bets 240. For me the large sizing was kind of a sing that he is on the nuts or on a bluff, its more polarazed

Hero? I thought about all 3 options. What do you prefer here? Raise for information and to deny equity or hope to check it down?

Thanks for you input


Fold pre... people are underbluffing squeezes from +1 opens. As for a defending range use TT+ KQss & AQo. As for 4bet bluffs use AJo & A5ss. Check calling flop is correct now fold turn.


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05-29-2019 , 10:41 PM
I don't get the fold pre comments. We are still getting +ev set mining odds and the description of V 3betting light, I think it at least warrants a call.

AP, fold turn, river will be a tough spot and you're hoping it checks through.
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05-30-2019 , 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
Totally agree with folding pre and AP fold turn. I think I stated this. I don’t think I’d find myself in this situation outside of a tournament.

My only point is that x r / fold flop against BTN raising range is better than stationing off three streets in minimum defense mode. Let me know if you disagree as I very much respect your input. Thanks!
Well, you would be blowing up the pot even more out of position against, VERY likely, a non-believer. I don't think anyone will buy that you have a king here. It's very hard to flop trips and you would most likely check/call if you did. So the chances of him calling the flop and you having to shut down and fold to any bet later on are pretty high, I expect.
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05-30-2019 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Fold pre, especially when you see the other guy wants to fold. 4b is spew.

call flop fine

fold turn.
Agree, additional $ offers more attractive odds, both pot and implied.

Turn uptick could easily be for value wrt your flop call. Ez fold.
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05-30-2019 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jshah
I don't get the fold pre comments. We are still getting +ev set mining odds and the description of V 3betting light, I think it at least warrants a call.

AP, fold turn, river will be a tough spot and you're hoping it checks through.


Not a single winning reg calls this hand preflop...


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