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NL 1/2 220bb deep - overpair to board facing raise ott - worry about being exploited? NL 1/2 220bb deep - overpair to board facing raise ott - worry about being exploited?

02-23-2014 , 05:16 PM
Villain is early 20s, probably grinder (hoodie/overweight), is quite active trying to get into hands with weaker players, limp/c a fair amount, have not seen him getting out of line within the 2 hours we have played together. He is paying very close attention to action, is not looking at TV or phone at all.

Hero mid 30s, winning image, people commenting that I win every hand, have opened up quite a bit and been active.

No previous history, neither has observed the other player how they react vs raises etc.

* UTG Player (300.0)
* HERO is (ep) (942.0)
* MP Player (300.0)
* LMP Player (300.0)
* V1 (557.0)
* C/O Player (300.0)
* BTN Player (300.0)
* SB Player (300.0)
* BB Player (300.0)

Playing 1.0/2.0
PRE-FLOP : Hero is EP with K K
1 fold, HERO Raises to 12.0, 1 fold, LMP Calls 12.00, Villain Calls 12.00, C/O Calls 12.00, BTN Calls 12.00, 1 fold, BB Calls 10.00

FLOP : ( 73) 3 6 8 (2 players)
Hero:$930, Player:$284, Player:$545, Player:$282, Player:$282, Player:$285

BB checks , HERO Bets 45.0, 1 fold, Villain Calls 45.00, 3 folds

TURN : ( 163) 5 (2 players)
Hero:$885, Player:$500

HERO Bets 85.0, Villain Raises to 200.0, Hero ?

Villain thought for about 30s before raising.

My immediate thought was that he is putting on a move. One of my "leaks" in the past was that I leveled myself too often into calling when faced by a raise and am now adapting the bet/fold mantra from Bart Hanson, which I think has actually messed with my game. I have also played very recent sessions where I was up 1-2 buyins and then play a 200bb+ pot with 1 Pair and lost. Of course he doesn't know that.

I only have the option to jam or fold and he sized his raise (not sure if by accident or planned) so he has an easy decision if I jam and he has any equity in his hand.

One more thing to note is that the room has a 2-5 of a 1k max which apparently plays much bigger/more agressive and from what I've heard is that there is a fair amount of soft-playing between regs so the 1-2 seemed to have alot more competent players than compared to 1-2 elsewhere.
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02-23-2014 , 06:18 PM
fml, color explosion...

Bet more otf, 60-70 with so many possible draws.
ott it seems like a clear fold to me w/o history with V.
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02-23-2014 , 06:21 PM
Yes, your hand is face-up and this board is awful for you. But you have no reason to believe a move like this is within the villain's arsenal. Without a better indication that villain is clever and pulling off this kind of thing, it's an easy fold.

Bet flop and turn bigger.
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02-28-2014 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
Yes, your hand is face-up and this board is awful for you. But you have no reason to believe a move like this is within the villain's arsenal. Without a better indication that villain is clever and pulling off this kind of thing, it's an easy fold.

Bet flop and turn bigger.
really, my hand is face up? Not sure why it would be face up as I would play all of my 99+, Axs the same way pretty much.

With regards to bet flop and turn bigger. I opened up recently and sized all of my cbets the same, wether I hit a set, had TP or whiffed completely. I actually think betting bigger, close to pot in a multiway pot, makes my hand face up.

I don't want to bet to "protect" my hand/equity. I feel making 2/3rd PSB on flop and turn would have actually made this hand tougher as I almost need to go broke on Turn and don't allow myself to get away from the hand?
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02-28-2014 , 03:47 PM
You opened EP so your range should pretty clearly be overpairs plus AThh+ or so. It's hard for you to have a monster on this board.

Bet sizing depends on many factors, but the board texture and amount of players are crucial. In this case, these factors are screaming for a bigger bet.
It's not like your opponents are ever going to put you on a bluff betting into this many opponents on this board, unless they think you're an idiot. They know you have something when you bet here, so size it better to charge draws and get value.
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02-28-2014 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkMcKay
really, my hand is face up? Not sure why it would be face up as I would play all of my 99+, Axs the same way pretty much.
Isn't 99-AA pretty much all the same here? He's probably not going to raise if he can't beat one pair. I certainly don't see him doing this with JJ hoping that you have TT or 99.

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With regards to bet flop and turn bigger. I opened up recently and sized all of my cbets the same, wether I hit a set, had TP or whiffed completely.
This is probably a mistake. Number of opponents and board texture are critical factors in appropriate bet sizing.

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I actually think betting bigger, close to pot in a multiway pot, makes my hand face up.
I'm not too worried about being somewhat transparent with my betting here. I am worried about charging someone with A8 or 87 an appropriate price so that he doesn't have proper odds to call.
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02-28-2014 , 04:15 PM
First thing is to make your preflop sizing bigger. You want to size it in such a way that this goes to the flop with one or two other players. Bet what others are willing to call pre, This may be 15 or more. Sizing is decent on flop and turn but could be a little bigger. As played this is a fold. There are just too many hands that he plays like this that are crushing you.
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02-28-2014 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by captainondeck
First thing is to make your preflop sizing bigger. You want to size it in such a way that this goes to the flop with one or two other players. Bet what others are willing to call pre, This may be 15 or more. Sizing is decent on flop and turn but could be a little bigger. As played this is a fold. There are just too many hands that he plays like this that are crushing you.
Unless the table is clearly bananas, a 6x open should be adequate.
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02-28-2014 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by captainondeck
First thing is to make your preflop sizing bigger. You want to size it in such a way that this goes to the flop with one or two other players. Bet what others are willing to call pre, This may be 15 or more.
If you want to be results oriented then you should just recommend that he fold PF to avoid facing the turn raise.



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02-28-2014 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DrChesspain
If you want to be results oriented then you should just recommend that he fold PF to avoid facing the turn raise.



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Don't think this is necessarily results oriented, in fact I was thinking same thing. Need to know what avg raise size has been at the table. If half the table is routinely calling $16 PF but you don't adjust your bet sizing accordingly then you're doing it wrong IMO.
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