1/3 game is 7 handed. utg folds, 350 just rebought after bleeding a bunch of chips to cbets is nitty old white guy (nowg) limps. i have like 240, i have been scooping every other small pot the last orbit. i have 69 i raise to 15. button calls (kind of a bad loose aggro, but underbets, kinda stationy jewish dude w 300), nowgramps calls.

4A7 ($40)

nowg checks, i check,
jew bets 20 gramps calls, i call.

turn 8 (100)

nowg check, i check, jewish guy bet 25, call, call

river 10 (175)
nowg check.
i have like 170 left, i bet 70 to get a call from 2 pair or something. jewish dude calls. old guy goes all in. its like 100 more to me. I call? I've seen nowg do this type of weird **** before with a set or a straight, but this is also certainly never a bluff, most likely the nuts. I fold? or is this some kind of sick move hes pulling bc we play together all the time. Probably not, but I've seen people try to pull some weird spazzy **** in this game.

What position are we? Don't like the raise pre with a bad loose player on our left. We only need to be good 17% of the time to make this call on the river. Vs most players you should call. If you have seen this guy do stupid things before then this is a sigh call. Vs very competent tight players then this is actually a fold because we are virtually never good here.

fold pre

as played, you are up against a higher flush from nitty OMC. He's not raising without the nuts or maybe K high flush. If he is, he's not a nit and your read was wrong.

Not sure about the raise pre with this hand, but if you can outplay them post, it's OK. Why did you check the flop? You raised pre with a marginal hand and hit pretty well (can't get much better). Betting will disguise your flush if/when it hits. These don't seem like the types to raise without a monster.

I would have raised the turn, too. Such a weak bet and old guy is just calling along.

As played, it's a soul-read, but the way the hand was played it looks as if old guy was on a draw, too, and probably much better than yours. I might have check/called the river with both of them still in.

This is a snap fold,let's look at the combos of flushes that you beat,2-3,2-5,2,8 and 3,8... Is an old man calling a raise with these hands..no.Now is there a chance that he is on some random spew with a set...yes,you're getting 4.45 to one,the odds of random live spew are far less than your pot odds. I would fold,oh and the obligatory fold pre.

If we're in LP I don't mind the iso attempt, but in earlier position or the fact that loose Button is likely to come along, I don't like it.

Great flop to cbet, imo. Any small pairs will probably fold on this A high board, and otherwise we've got a pretty sweet backup plan (i.e. hit our flush) if someone calls. I cbet 1/2 PSB.

I also just call the turn. Even though we've picked up extra outs and the bet size is lol, a raise is attempting to get two people to fold their hand (one of them being stationy), plus our line makes no sense.

With just a PSB left on the river, I think this is a trivial shove, let's just hope one of these guys pays off. As played, I don't see how we can fold given the odds, although there really ain't a lotta worse flushes old guy can show up with (32cc? 85cc?). But old guys also make a lotta senior moment moves (saw an old guy attempt to muck top fullhouse yesterday) so there's that too.

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Easy fold preflop.
Easy cbet otf after a raise preflop.
Easy call otr.
Fold preflop.

Would never have played this pre.

However, as played...you didn't play 69s to make your hand, commit half of ur stack and then fold. Call, and when he shows you the nuts or 2nd nuts, take it as a lesson to not raise 69 preflop....especially against a nitty old guy who is never going to give you action if you do make a hand unless he makes a better one.

there are several problems with the way you played this hand, and honestly, raising 96s isnt really one of them

H is in MP, so 96s is a little loose, but it's nothing to get too upset about. but thats about the only good part about this hand

1) if you raise this preflop, you need to bet this flop. you have 9 high, a front door FD and a backdoor SD but since you are the preflop raiser, people will give you credit for an A. oh, hey, there's an A on the board. everyone will assume you have an A and you win the pot an absurd amount of time.

2) when you pass on the cbet, you get one of the best cards possible for you because now you have a FD + SD. the flop better bet a weak bet, so c/r his weakness. you have half the deck as outs.

3) when you get to this river, you have SDV with a 9 high front door flush completing. either old man had a FD and likely a better one than you or he had a weak hand that he probably doesnt call because a FD came in, so why bet?

This is what I was going to say. I think the best street you played was preflop. I would have bet/raised the flop and bet/raised the turn even more.

I don't think raising 69s from up front is generally going tt be very profitable in loose passive LLSNL games. So fold pre but whatever.

If I opened this hand i'd probably cbet this flop aws a semibluff and if I got it heads up consider 2bl barrellling the turn If I though the villains calling range was not mostly just Aces. Barrreling these guys off aces just sucks. Being out of position doesn't allow us the bennefit of checking back for a free card.

As played Nitty old guy raising after a bet and a call on the river should have your 9hi flush beat. Axcc cetainly in his range which is specifically what I expect here a lot but jeez getting almost 5:1 on a call... is Nittyold guy spazzing with worse 1 time out of 6 ish? Given your image I'd probably feel like I had to call off. I don't think I would have bet to bet/fold here given stack sizes remaining. With your image I probably just shove river.

Perfect board to cbet.

Perfect spot to raise turn huge, especially with that ridiculous sizing.

I agree with checking river, no point in betting considering omc called down too.

Sorry, this is just faulty logic. Each decision is independent of one another. Sometimes you have to fold after committing half your stack to a pot. If you don't have a fold button simply because you made a hand with junk, then YOU are the one that really shouldn't play junk.

BTW also disagree with your assertion that nitty old guys won't pay off unless they have 2nd nuts. Most of these guys are terrible at folding hands. They may not show aggression without hitting a strong hand but they will certainly call down with one pair type hands, particularly if they are preflop nits.

The turn was a great spot to shove and get folds from higher flush draws

I disagree with all of you on this. $70 river bet, a bit less than 1/2 pot-sized, is perfect. You are betting b/c a calling station has shown you that he has a hand but one worse than yours. He is likely to call you more than often enough to compensate for the times that the old man hits a flush higher than yours.

As far as calling the extra $100 from the old man, it depends... Plenty of old man play preflop tighter than a virgin's &^& but then ridiculously overvalue their TPTK+ hands when they get them. He is tight, but the question is how competently tight? If he seems competent, you need to fold. If not, you have odds to call.

Lousy spot but it happens.

All of the old men who overplay TPTK,would have shoved flip phone or turn.They overplay it because they are scared of getting outdrawn,I don't know any that would shove over that sizing when the front door draw got there.

Good point.