This hand happened to me a little while back, and while monetarily not substantial I always seem to ponder it.

$1/$3

Villain is a MAWG and has been playing solid and built a stack ($1000ish). Have not seen him get out of line or do anything crazy in about 3 hours of playing with him, seems like a reg.

Hero most likely has a tight image, and hasn't been involved in too many pots or noticeable situations. Up to $450 from $300 from mostly small and medium pots.

OTTH

Villain UTG+1 makes it $12
MP Calls
Hero BB completes with KQo
Flop ($37) - Q96r

Villain checks, MP checks, hero bets $15

Villain thinks a while before cutting out a raise to $80.

MP fold, Hero?

I tank folded, as this seemed very strong from this player. He turns over a Q, and I said "I had one too" to which he replies "If you had one too that was a really good fold".

Is this ever QQ or most likely AQ? Should I not be folding in these spots?

Should I not read too much into what villain has to say?

after thinking what his range is, you also think about what will you do OTT if he bets.

here we are beating QJ, QT, TJ (which i dont think will x/r) and behind AQ, KQ, QQ, 99, 66 (most likely will x/r) and his sizing is very big, i dont want to build big pot with one pair hand so im folding this comfortably.

Well, i for one don't bother on speech plays, but im sure when villains start talking facing a bet they normally don't raise.

squeeze pre to 55

on the flop you're first to act, how did two player check to you?

easy fold after he raises as you did.

Flop action is wrong somehow. Your hand isn't good enough to donk into multiple villains, check/call flop. If raised it's an easy fold without a strong read on villain. Villain can be bluffing or semi-bluffing but you won't have any idea what to do on the turn. This is a dangerous flop with lots of straight draws possible. You should be aiming to keep this pot small and see who has the best hand at showdown.

Had to read that hand history 3 times to understand the action. U might wanna try writing it differently

Yikes, thanks. Happened a while back. I know I was late to act so that puts me calling his raise pre from the CO or the button.

I raise KQ from any position and fold it to a raise most of the time (and 3 bet it when I dont fold). Start doing that and poker will become much easier.

Ah in this case WP and good fold

Suggest it is a leak to tell our Villains what we had and what we folded.

Game is hard enough without giving away free information about our decisions in any given situation.

There's lots of issues with this hand. You potentially induced a bluff by betting only 15 into a 37 pot. Many LLSNL players size their bets for the strength of their hand. The villain could have read that as weakness and decided to steal. Put in at least 20, and more like 25 next time.

I've used the "that was a good fold" line before. Usually when I was bluffng. I just forget to add the words, "for me."

Since I'm behind on overall experience and still trying to learn the ropes my self, so to speak, this would be a trivial fold for me, FWIW.
If you call, or raise even, the 80 bet, you have to be willing to play for stacks with that hand.
I only see the weakest of players playing for all the money with those types of hands.
Unless you were the aggressor of course and doing the betting, turning your hand into a bluff.

i would never donk lead (especially this flop) with three players vs an early position opener. yeah he might even check it through a decent amount, but thats fine for us.

as played i think you have to fold, i don't think calling and peeling one and praying he slows down is horrible but most likely you will have to fold to his turn bet.


i think his raise is a bit big too if he wanted you to call (you folded a rather big hand) if he had value i think 60 or 65 would of been better 80, kind of makes it clear to you that if you continue you are playing for stacks.

maybe had had like aces or aq and figured a lot of run outs are tough for him to play. if he had like a set of 9s or 6s, i think his raise is too big.

I feel pretty comfortable folding against described villain here. If this was one of those rare times he got tricky with TJs it’s whatever, most of his range will have us in jail.

This is like the easiest fold ever. By leading into him you pretty much told him "I have top pair" and then he pretty much told you "my hand is much stronger than yours" when he raised more than pot.

BTW, fold pre.