Edit: mistake in the title it is 1-1 game

Playing at Aspers stratford

1-1 NLHE

Played about 4 orbits 5/6 handed
V has about 200
V2 has about 100
Hero covers
History: V raised a straddle from the same position to 12 with 66 last orbit. In that hand he called a players all-in with bottom set against a c/c, donk turn shove river line on a T6593 board and was good. V limp-called in straddle pot when Hero raised to 20 from the BB after 3 callers and then folded to a c-bet on a K25ss board. V2 has been limp folding a lot.

On to the hand:

Hero is dealt A8
UTG straddles 3. V calls, fold fold, V2 calls from the sb.
Hero raises to 16. Straddler folds, UTG calls, V2 folds.

Flop (38) is T92X
Hero bets 25
Villain raises to 60
Hero shoves

Spot seems very standard to me, but my friend argued that people aren't raising flop then calling enough with draws at this level for a shove to be good. Do you agree with that? Is this line getting max value from draws or should we be trying to get it in on the turn? Would also like critique on sizing or play at all streets.

As a side note:
Trying to post at least one hand from each session I do as I recently started playing again. I know this isn't the most interesting spot but my session was cut short and it's all I could get.

Ur friend is right... They will just call with a draw... If they raise, they raise big not 2.2x

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honestly don't mind getting it in here 100bb eff. however, you don't have any fe, no matter which V raised.

Only thing I can think of is maybe check raising the flop instead and committing yourself which would maybe give you some fold equity depending on whether V is capable of folding an over pair on this wet of a flop. May be a better line to take every so often. Worst case you are a 3-1 dog best case u have him over flushed so not terrible as played.

it's not a huge mistake as long as you think he'll fold some small percentage of the time. But if you're sure he won't fold, then you're just shoving all in as a 3:1 dog.

3:1 dog? Does V only raise flop with the 3 combos of 22?
I don't like c/r because I want to charge lots of hands and don't want it getting checked back allowing our opponent free equity to hit a pair.
We probably have some FE vs low pp's and even 9x/Tx some of the time. But this is more of a value shove vs dominated draws.
Only really worried about T9 and 22. It's 160 more for the shove, assuming V only has T9/22 and he calls then its 160 to win 265 with 35% equity. -12 EV vs the absolute top of his range. I'm not concerned whether this play is -EV because I know it is not, I'm just thinking whether I took the best line/sizing.

I meant 2:1. We'll hit the flush around a third of the time.

It might be better if our ace gives us outs: ie: villain has KT. Not sure if that's possible. My disclaimer was we assumed villain was NEVER folding.

Not sure there is such a hand as a one outer against a flush draw
Just saying...

I think that you have to consider if villain can lay down a hand and what he likely has. I think that given your preflop raise and c-bet he is only raising you with 2p, sets, and combo draws. You are only really crushing the combos, probably about decent odds on the 2p's and well behind the sets. I'd advocate for a call/re-evaluate. I just don't see us having much fold equity in this spot.

1 outer was a different hand that I was still steaming about . Not posting results of this one yet.

What's our line on the turn if we call/evaluate? He will most likely check back all his draws if we check and has an opportunity to fold them if we lead out unless he hits, but continue with all that beats us. Given this how can we get value from worse draws unless we both hit? OTR if we both miss we risk getting blown off the pot while simultaneously getting 0 value from hands we beat. Leading out river is pretty terrible unimproved. Calling is bad most times too.

I don't think V would limp call 92/T2 preflop so 9T is the only 2pair, he'd also raise 99 and TT pf so the only set is 22. If V is raising a random pair to see where he's at I think we have a good amount of FE. Even without I don't think FE is entirely necessary for shove to be +EV.

That can be proved. Give me a range against which we have no fold equity. You mention T9 and 22. Anything else?

Giving him a tight raising range of AT, T9, 22 and KQhh, KJhh, QJhh we have 40% equity.

Shoving 160 and getting called, pot is 406. Return of 162.4

Sprinkle in a wider flop raising range and a flop raise/fold range and it's even clearer that a shove is +EV.

Lets consider this his raising range. You are looking at a flop bet of $35 more into a $123 pot. The only hand that beats you that you have any hope of folding out is AT. Yes, obviously we are protecting our equity against the other draws, but you would much rather stack off on another .

My line is call/re-evaluate. If villain shoves turn for $124 into $158 he is polarizing his range. Without a great read on the villain this will almost never happen with AT. So you narrow him down to T9, 22, and read dependent on the heart draws. So much is determined by whether your villain is aggro enough to show on a draw, most will take a free card. If he shoves and we miss, I'm leaning to c/f. If we hit I think we donk 1/2 pot and I don't see him folding either T9/22. He will call and hope to hit re-draw to boat. This puts all in on the river with a 1/5 PSB again super hard for him to fold.

After thinking about it, I think a shove is OK as a slightly +EV play. But I think you're more optimal to call. Of course if villain is aggro enough to shove draws, just shove now and protect a little equity.