Preflop descriptions:

Villain : White male. Regular grinder and solid TAG. Has history with Hero.

Hero: Straightforward tight-aggressive player.

$1/3 NL at Hard Rock Tampa

SB
BB
UTG
UTG 1
MP Villain ($400)
MP2
LP 1 Hero ($260)
LP 2
Button

Hero is dealt AQ

UTG calls, UTG 1 folds, MP Villain calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises to $15, LP 2 folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds, MP Villain calls, MP 2 calls.

Flop ($60): T84

Checks around.

Turn ($60): Q

BB bets $20, MP Villain raises to $60, MP 2 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

River ($200): 8

MP Villain bets $100.

Hero?

Im actually folding the turn. Sure, it seems like we hit gin, but BB and villain were probably intending to c/r you otf. I think we're crushed here a lot. One pair is no good, and we dont really have any re-draws. Since you called the turn, i guess you need to call river.

you might be able to take this down on the flop with a 30-40$ bet


if youre calling the turn, youre calling the river, doesnt change anything about the hand since he's not spazz raising 3rd pair on the turn..you lose to QT and 44 exactly

but i think the mistake is not leading flop

Read the two above replies, I disagree with both.

SuqAta, there's too many players in this pot to c-bet. With 3 callers, it's too likely someone flopped a pair of tens or 8s, or has a draw. If heads up or 3-way, c-betting makes more sense.

An exception is if you plan to triple or double barrel bluff. It's actually a decent board for a big multistreet bluff...since there's lots of scare cards that can come, and it's unlikely someone will keep calling massive bets on all three streets with just J10.

Alew, I disagree with your general comment that, "Since you called the turn, i guess you need to call river." I hate when people say this...we should be reevaluating every single street. His range for raising the turn is different from his range for betting river. It's possible he is raising a decent queen (KQ, QJ, Q9, ect) just to see where he's at on the turn, esp. because the $20 bet is pretty tiny.

As played, I fold on the river if villain is a good hand read and good player. If so, he should realize that he shouldn't be betting KQ or QJ here.

I call the river if villain is a poor hand reader and bad player. A poor hand reader may think KQ or QJ or is good enough to bet for value, not realizing that hero's range is almost exclusively KQ, AQ, or a busted draw.

i thought it was 3way

i still think its borderline for whether to check or lead flop, with obvious plans of continuing on most turns if we get one caller


forgot to add before that i guess J9 could be in his range as well.. i guess its not as much of a call as i thought originally.. need specific reads on whether its a fold/call on river.. i think folding turn is too exploitable

The river 8h changes nothing. It's a brick. What the hell do we need to re-evaluate? If we're investing our money ott thinking that our hand is good, then we need to call the river. What are we doing? Calling the turn in hopes that he checks the river? Probably never happens.

ez fold on the turn considering action, textur.raise more pre

The fact that you're an ABC player, this is an easy fold on river.

Folding turn is way too nitty without more information.

Grunch

Raise bigger pre, $15 would be my standard open with no limpers. With three people already limping in, I'm making it $25-$30 here.

Checking the flop is fine multi way. As played I probably fold to Villains raise OTT. If you call, your hand is basically face up as Qx or a club flush draw. You aren't in very good shape against Villains raising range, which is probably weighed towards sets/straights/and two pairs. If you are somehow ahead here, you probably have to dodge a flush draw (we don't know which one) and probably additional straight outs. Fold turn.

Thanks for the advice guys. As it played out, I folded the river because there is nothing in villain's betting range that I beat except a bluff. Villain showed KJ off after I folded. I thought it was well played on his part. On the turn, I called because he is raising KQ and QJ, but on the river, his range I thought was weighed heavily towards QT and J9.

Bet the flop. $45-50.