1/2NL. Hero is on the B w/JsJc. $450. Tag image. V1 sb $100, loose bad player. V2 BB $250, tag, winning reg. V3 HJ $210, very passive bad player. HJ limps, hero raises to $12, blinds call and HJ calls for four way pot. Pot$48. Flop Jd9c8c. Blinds check, villain3 bets $10, hero raises to $40, v1 re raises all in for another $32. V2 reluctantly calls $82 and V3 calls . Pot$$334. Hero? Call,raise,fold?

If you aren't willing to shove this flop then not sure why you played the hand.

Push all-in. SPR low. You don't currently have the nuts, but you have plenty of outs to be the nuts in the last two cards.

Fold pre cuz top set can't win, but now you pile the chips. I'd raise more on the flop too, draws aren't folding.

For those times we are actually behind (and we are not sure that we ARE behind)...

We have seven outs to a FH on the turn and ten outs on the river.

Call it 8.5 outs roughly, times 4 roughly, gives us about 34% equity, call it 1/3.

Yet we are getting far better than 2:1 to shove here.

If we don't shove here once we hit top set, why are we playing?

Will we win every time? Not with three opponents, that's for sure.

Which is why the preflop raise should be higher.

There's no assurance that the field would have been thinned but at least we give ourselves a chance.

Why would I want to raise more pre, when there is only one limper and I'm on the button? I'll end up blowing everyone off the hand and scooping 3 bucks. That doesn't seem optimal for jj.

Obvious jam as played, though you could make a case for smaller (like 60-70 more) since you will be commited on turn anyway and no one is that deep

Nice hand ... I'm going to give you some credit here, but you may not know what you did before I tell you!

1) PF is fine, $12 open OTB at most 1/2 is average if not large. You need to be consistent with previous table/player dynamics.
2) Thank you for raising the obvious blocker bet.

3) CREDIT coming: SB post-Flop stack is only $72? (So $84 PF, not $100) I'm giving you huge props for knowing this when you 'only' raise $30 (to $40) here. I'm a big proponent of getting the side pot started if there's going to be one. By recognizing SB stack size you left the door open to a 4-bet here. No offense to wj94's 'normal' thoughts, but this is a play that most player's don't pay attention to. Yes, you price in the rest of the crowd .. but at this point, why not! IF you are behind, you just created your own great implied odds to draw to your FH. If you raise bigger/shove, you may fold out some dead money and only get called when beat. So by raising a 'pot controlling' size raise you also give yourself some implied odds to your FH while leaving the door open to your 'brilliant' 4-bet!

4) Now that V2 has 'reluctantly' called and V3 has only flatted I say 'thank you' for the dead money and toss in another $120 on top, essentially shoving. V2 could be giving us a reverse tell, but I want the side pot started and I want to eliminate at least one drawing opponent unless they want to pay more. We have the Jc in our hand, so no board pairing flush can hit unless it's runner runner, so make them pay now to hit their flush.

5) FOLD? Huh? I just gave you credit for a 'brilliant' play and you put this word in this thread ... eh, no ... Let SB turn over 89, BB=A4 and V3=QT and you are still calling/shoving here all day long ... at probably no worse than 20% going to the River. GL

Because 1/2 players will call bigger raises with trash. That's why.

I like your advice of re raising $120 answer 20. I ended up shoving and villain 2 folded trip 8 after about 3 min. of saying "I can't believe I'm folding this". Betting $120 would have kept in anyone drawing very thin. The money was going in after the turn anyway. Might as well of brought the dead money along. Villain 3 coolered me with QdTd. Villain 1 was drawing with KT.

preflop is fine unless V3 has shown no limp fold capability in which casw make him pay more.

raise bigger on the first time. $60.

As played my gut says raise small here to keep both vs in because one or both is likely dead money. I would have to crunch some probabilities to know for sure the optimal play, but raising small or all in both are good.