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02-28-2019 , 08:16 AM
hero has just lost the last pot shoving for about $100 effective against two players on 3 small card two tone board with AA, set of 5s wins. i didn't show i had aces though but i think its pretty obvious the way the hand played i had an overpair vs set and idk what the other guy had hes gone from the table now.
hero is in big blind with ~$380. table covers
dealt 55 with the 5 of spades
utg super loose drinking player limps
middle aged reg utg+1 raises to 20
old reg flats the button
young fish in the small blind flats
hero flats
utg raises to $40
everyone flats

flop is 4s3d7s ($200 pot)
small blind checks
hero ???

a good part of my thought process here is that it's possible the way i'm playing at this table that i could have 56s, 43s here or 44, 33

Last edited by ProRailbird; 02-28-2019 at 08:38 AM.
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02-28-2019 , 08:52 AM
Check. You likely have a tilty image and board is wet and hit limp/calling ranges hard.
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02-28-2019 , 10:23 AM
check is probably the best option although i suppose we're always check/giving up when that happens since we're pretty certain to face a bet here.

one thing i left out is small blind is a pretty large tellbox and from how he checked on the flop i'm pretty sure he has given up on the hand.

i was definitely tilted after the last hand even though it was a fairly small pot so i just shoved here for pot and a half and betting three quarters pot commits me anyways. my thinking is i'd do this with 43, 33, 44, 77, 56 most likely because i want to protect against draws. i'm also most likely to have those hands in the big blind here. i don't think UTG ever has a serious hand here when he makes it $40 pf. i probably don't ever have to mix in 55 and 66 with a spade here as bluffs but it felt creative at the time.
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02-28-2019 , 11:40 AM
Pre is questionable. I guess it's only %10 of your stack and you will probably at least double up if you hit, so not terrible.

I just check this flop and hope to see a free/cheap turn.
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02-28-2019 , 11:42 AM
Ah. Just read your second post. Would be pretty fun to shove after UTG makes it $40 and everyone flats High variance, but does anyone really have TT+ here? How many besides UTG will gamble for $340 more?
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02-28-2019 , 12:52 PM
Pre is fine. Folding to any of this action is a huge mistake. I don't mind a lead on the flop if this was heads up or 3 way. As it stands, you're trying to bluff way too many people with this sort of line. I think check flop and maybe call one based on sizing.
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02-28-2019 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MogFish
Pre is fine. Folding to any of this action is a huge mistake. I don't mind a lead on the flop if this was heads up or 3 way. As it stands, you're trying to bluff way too many people with this sort of line. I think check flop and maybe call one based on sizing.
this is true, although like the post above yours said i don't think anyone here has TT+. also why i don't shove here is i know villain the way he plays is calling ATC with so many flats out there and when he calls the whole table or at least the small blind fish will probably just say **** it and call too.

as it played out UTG snap calls, folds to old reg who tanks forever on the button then folds, everyone else folds.

turn 7 river 7. i'm actually thinking my hand could be good vs this villain til he turns over the T7o for the ez game quads.

old reg says he folded the king high flush draw but i'm pretty sure he threw away a worse draw.

my thought process here was basically UTG's range is full of absolute trash that's going to whiff so often and if UTG folds then I don't think anyone else in the hand can call except if they have the nut flush draw or 77, i'm blocking 56 and A5s. im still not sure how i feel about this play. when utg has J8 and just snap folds and everyone else folds or button calls and bricks out i feel really good about this play. if UTG folds though that's still a tough call for the button to make because I could easily jam A5s or A6s there and he's just basically dead in that spot.

Last edited by ProRailbird; 02-28-2019 at 02:42 PM.
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02-28-2019 , 02:38 PM
you started the hand w/ 78bb’s. This is a good flop. Checking for a free turn is OK I guess but if the flops gets bet i’m Also certainly c/r’ing AI. I can also get behind a full pot lead OTF. Some FE versus hands that have lots of equity. Too good of a flop to fold in most cases. The previous hand hurts your FE which sucks but makes a PSB led maybe better because you’re demonstrating full pot commitment and maybe less likely to get floated.
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02-28-2019 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by twitcherroo
you started the hand w/ 78bb’s. This is a good flop. Checking for a free turn is OK I guess but if the flops gets bet i’m Also certainly c/r’ing AI. I can also get behind a full pot lead OTF. Some FE versus hands that have lots of equity. Too good of a flop to fold in most cases. The previous hand hurts your FE which sucks but makes a PSB led maybe better because you’re demonstrating full pot commitment and maybe less likely to get floated.
does it make a real difference between betting $200 and jamming here? does it look less like a bluff if I bet $200? i feel like maybe I wouldn't want to bet $200 with a hand like 43 because then if UTG has like just overcards and calls then everyone with a crappo draw is going to want to come along too.
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02-28-2019 , 03:34 PM
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I don't think anyone else in the hand can call except if they have the nut flush draw or 77
Given your image at the moment, I expect they are calling with A7s, and overpairs 88-TT, maybe even 67s. All of these are definitely in theirranges given how PF played out, and of course there are still two combos of 56s available, even though you block it.
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03-01-2019 , 07:27 AM
yes looking back i was definitely tilted playing this hand
im shoving 34s, 33, 44, 56 here because im expecting exactly to get paid off by UTG villain with a total trash hand like t7o or maybe hero'd with 88-99 from UTG+1 or the button (i think either UTG+1 or the button will bump it again at some point with TT with the way that table and the UTG villain were playing, UTG+1 should not be expecting anyone in this hand flats with jacks to his immediate small iso-raise of this limp IMO). so realistically i don't ever need to be trying to balance here because i can be totally unbalanced in this spot at this table and get paid anyways.

i'm leaning now towards thinking pf jam was the best play we can still get 66-77 to pitch it and i think button and small blind both are showing real weakness here. this is still a good reg in the button even though hes old so a double flat from the button is super weak there IMO. small blind showed me he had A5o in that hand after folding as well so his range is full of hands that are never calling a jam.

i think after the first round of flats here flatting with 55 is the play for sure but when the utg player raises to $40 and it flats again our relative strength here goes way up. we can probably discount TT-AA from everyone else's range completely so we're really scared of 88-99, also a good percent of the time UTG is going to snap with ATC and we're flipping but there's a lot of dead money. also when he snap calls or snap jams trash it's going to give us protection against his garbage range and even TT will fold in that spot.

i don't think ever folding from the BB to the $20 raise is a good play here and i don't like x/f on boards like this, also the way the table is betting here we're going to have zero fold equity on a x/r unless utg does something silly again like bet $50 and everyone flats again which I guess could happen. but i'm expecting 9/10 here when checked to him UTG is going to either bomb it for $200 or check/fold so when he checks the other regs knowing this are going to bet any draw and then commit themselves and we have zero FE against them.

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