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1/3nl: Medium pkt pair utg, limpcall? 1/3nl: Medium pkt pair utg, limpcall?

01-24-2014 , 02:11 AM
TT utg, hero limps, 2calrs, mp fish makes 13, 5 callers
Flop: J8h5c fish ai for 80 good reg in mp+1 calls with AJo, fish flips QTs,
turn J, riv Q

Was I better off limp shoving over fish's raise? Should I be raising TT utg myself?
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01-24-2014 , 02:52 AM
We don't know enough about fishes raising range. But based on his stack size and raise size, I think you are ahead quite often and I would limp raise big here. Limp raise to $43 and shove all flops. Fold flop as played. But yes I would almost always just open raise TT UTG
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01-26-2014 , 12:28 PM
Yes, generally you should not be set mining with a big PP vs a fish who raises. Most of the time I just open to a healthy raise myself.

Limp raising is good if you are in a spot where someone to your left will raise and then there will be multiple callers before the action gets back to you. It will put a lot of pressure on the initial raiser and likely take down a lot of dead money.

In your case I like this play because it usually isos the fish since he raised. If everyone calls then we have the best hand going into a huge pot - but now we are hoping for a set or 922 type flops to continue.
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01-26-2014 , 12:41 PM
I feel like we should be narrowing the feild with a PF raise....No? As played why arent we 3Betting pre? fish has 93 but did we fold flop? I hope so.
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01-26-2014 , 02:57 PM
Fine as played, must fold.

We limp called TT, aka set mining/looking for a low board. We missed both, now fold.
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01-26-2014 , 02:58 PM
Don't limp
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01-26-2014 , 04:27 PM
Raise preflop. I'm sure there are a lot of low stakes games where you can justify having an open limping range from UTG, but in those games I'm not worried about having to balance that range by open limping strong hands as well.
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01-29-2014 , 01:58 PM
I would open limp TT from EP at this extremely loose table. We have 0 chance at narrowing the field with a raise (a ~5x raise just saw a 6/7way flop, lol), and being in EP and seeing a multiway bloated pot with this hand is going to suck. Often there will overcards (where we'll have to sigh/fold), and other times we'll actually have an overpair (but in an eleventeen way field, OOP, with a smallish SPR where there is no room to manouver postflop, where we might feel committed for stacks, which also sucks). Open limping is totally fine at this table, especially in EP. ETA: The one caveat to this is if everyone is short (like the opener); if this is the case, then we can just open raise large ourselves, and easily stack off on the flop (where with multiple callers we will often create an SPR of <= 1 if playing all shortstacks).

After the initial raise and with all the callers, it really depends on other stack sizes. If all the callers are also quite shortish, I would have no problem limp/shoving here. There's a crapload of dead money and we're up against a short (and obviously loose, based on results) open raiser. If there are a bunch of deep stacks (including us), I'm fine with seeing a flop and seeing what happens.

As played, easy check/fold to this flop action.

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