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12-30-2015 , 06:39 AM
$2/$5 LIVE

Just sat down at table about an orbit ago. Here is a small bit of Villain Info:
V1: Asian. 26 y/o. Seems TAG.
V2. No real reads
V3: 25 y/o chatty white guy. Calls a lot. Plays fairly straight forward.

Stacks:
v1 (Asian): 445
V2: 300
V3: 900
Hero: 850

V1 (Asian) Straddles for $10. Hero raises to $30 with AA and both V2, V3, and V1 call.

POT= $125
Flop: K97

V1 checks. Hero bets $80. V2 folds. V3 thinks a few seconds and calls. V1 thinks a few seconds and raises AI for $335 more.

POT= $700...What's best Hero play and why?
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12-30-2015 , 06:42 AM
ship it.
we are ahead of their ranges and after V1 ships there isn´t much play left on later streets, just gii here.

would raise to 35 to 40 pre
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12-30-2015 , 08:47 AM
What position are Hero and V's 2&3 in?
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12-30-2015 , 09:04 AM
Definitely not a fan of stacking off here in a 7 SPR pot that went four ways to the flop. V3 could absolutely have a set here that he flatted on the flop.

This is a tricky spot but I think I find a fold. V1's range looks like 2 pair+ or a combo draw to me. Heads up I can maybe justify a call with the dead money, but with a guy behind me it is too risky. A lot of times here I am going to end up against a better made hand and a drawing hand.
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12-30-2015 , 09:50 AM
We are repping some 99/77 but mostly AA,KK,AK here which makes me believe we can narrow down V1s range to 99,77,97,and draws like 8d10d, 10dJd since he can assume some fold equity and good equity Vs. Our perceived image and range. I would fold in that spot at best we are flipping IMO plus we have another player acting behind us who has a way wider range with mostly Kx and draws, but also some sets.
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12-30-2015 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by patjps
What position are Hero and V's 2&3 in?
Hero was UTG+2.
V2 was UTG+3
V3 was BTN
and V1 was Straddle

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Originally Posted by Jamitontheriver
Definitely not a fan of stacking off here in a 7 SPR
Villains stack was only 445 to begin with. So SPR vs him was only 3.5

The ranges you all are putting them on are pretty much how I assessed it at the table. I felt it was close vs V1 and thought V3 would fold as he didn't seem ready to gamble. Vs V1 if we were heads hup it was in fact very close! We are getting about 2.1 to 1 to call (again assuming V3 folds). And if we assign V1 the range of sets plus like 6 or 7 good combo draws we are about 35% which is right in there - close but right in there and probably slightly +EV. And i am an EV slut and go after any I can find.

That said though, is it best shove and increase chances of getting rid of V3 or flat and hope or fold and say good hand?
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12-30-2015 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
ship it.
we are ahead of their ranges and after V1 ships there isn´t much play left on later streets, just gii here.

would raise to 35 to 40 pre
+1.

GII and larger pre.
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12-30-2015 , 05:07 PM
I would open to $35-$40 pre. Otf I would also size up $90 into the $125 pot. I think we are fine calling here, but it's close. Shipping defenitely would be wrong because we don't want to push V3 out of the pot. I think 1 orbit isn't enough to determine that V1 is TAG and not LAG, and the stereotype for a young Asian guy who straddles tells me he has a ton of bluffs in his range. If V3 calls behind us we have it made, and can ship any non K non heart river.

I don't think folding flop would be a huge mistake though fwiw because the times we are behind we are crushed.
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12-30-2015 , 05:22 PM
I probably ship here. Not sure of your read on V1. If all I know about V1 is that he's a 26 yo Asian, and he's straddled the first orbit, I'm assuming he's LAG/maniac rather than TAG.
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12-30-2015 , 05:43 PM
jam. more pre with straddle on. If K9 oh well.

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12-31-2015 , 12:09 PM
Ship it. V3 has a lot of draws in his range, and V1 has a lot of Kx in his range. If you call, V3 can call behind getting a price and you'll be OOP the rest of hand. And there are a lot of bad turn cards for your hand. If V3 has a two way draw, he's calling anyway, but you can charge him the max.
I think V3 would be likely to raise a set here, so I'd weight his hand more heavily to a draw (as original raiser over a straddle, your hand can easily include a lot of Axs hands, as well as KQs).
Agree with others that a little bigger pre would have helped define ranges. With eff stacks at 850, V3 has 30 to 1 implied odds to call your open with a wide range.
That V1 'seems' TAG means he could be making a play here. And seems TAG doesn't give a lot of info.

Ship it.
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12-31-2015 , 12:32 PM
wouldn´t open a bit larger to "define ranges", but just for str8 value. a normal potsize raise unopened is 37 anyway...
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12-31-2015 , 01:07 PM
Gonna have to agree with shipping it. It's a near lock that you're ahead of V3 and a RRAI will get him to fold his dead money in the pot. V3 probably has something like KJ/KQ and is trying to pot control to fade a diamond.

V1 can easily have QJ or any combination of the diamond flush with the straight draw and possibly K. It's a pure coin-flip if V1 has J10 (and a sexy hand, no less), but with V3's dead money in the pot, I'd take this flip.

Quote:
And i am an EV slut and go after any I can find.
I will never look at EV the same way.
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12-31-2015 , 01:27 PM
pre is a good sizing. 30-40 is good vs a typical 2/5 Lineup.

OTF:
cBet is mandatory, well played. Actually this is pretty much the perfect scenario.

I highly doubt that V3 has two pair or a set, as he would likely raise this on such a wet board. I shove here quite happily.

On a sidenote:

This hand would be really tricky without V1. Any Q,J,T,8 or Diamond is a bad card OTT vs V3`s range.
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12-31-2015 , 02:05 PM
all in
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12-31-2015 , 09:10 PM
After reading others comments I agree a shove is mandatory as a call will be less +EV vs V3's range.
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