Deep Stack Question - Suited Trash on the Button
02-26-2012
, 04:24 PM
I'm going to ignore the blinds and the UTG limper for a second.
Given the following ranges:
Here is the flop equity graph for T9s against those ranges:
And here is the graph for 34s:
So if you are playing T9s because you think it gets you into profitable situations on the flop, I think you should also be playing 34s.
It looks like you will hit the same number of flops with 25%+ equity with both hands, but you will more often with 34s hit flops that give you 10-25% equity.
The closeness of the two graphs though I think helps to show how much more important postflop play is when it comes to situations like this.
Addendum: That's not to say that preflop spots are marginal so it doesn't matter if you play them or not. If you are a much better postflop player than your opponents, then it IS important to play every marginal preflop hand so that you get yourself in a larger number of non-marginal +EV spots postflop.
And if you want to see how unconnectedness affects your equity:
65s:
64s:
63s:
Given the following ranges:
Here is the flop equity graph for T9s against those ranges:
And here is the graph for 34s:
So if you are playing T9s because you think it gets you into profitable situations on the flop, I think you should also be playing 34s.
It looks like you will hit the same number of flops with 25%+ equity with both hands, but you will more often with 34s hit flops that give you 10-25% equity.
The closeness of the two graphs though I think helps to show how much more important postflop play is when it comes to situations like this.
Addendum: That's not to say that preflop spots are marginal so it doesn't matter if you play them or not. If you are a much better postflop player than your opponents, then it IS important to play every marginal preflop hand so that you get yourself in a larger number of non-marginal +EV spots postflop.
And if you want to see how unconnectedness affects your equity:
65s:
64s:
63s:
Last edited by Eihli; 02-26-2012 at 04:33 PM.
02-26-2012
, 06:18 PM
Quote:
I'm going to ignore the blinds and the UTG limper for a second.
Given the following ranges:
Here is the flop equity graph for T9s against those ranges:
And here is the graph for 34s:
So if you are playing T9s because you think it gets you into profitable situations on the flop, I think you should also be playing 34s.
It looks like you will hit the same number of flops with 25%+ equity with both hands, but you will more often with 34s hit flops that give you 10-25% equity.
The closeness of the two graphs though I think helps to show how much more important postflop play is when it comes to situations like this.
Addendum: That's not to say that preflop spots are marginal so it doesn't matter if you play them or not. If you are a much better postflop player than your opponents, then it IS important to play every marginal preflop hand so that you get yourself in a larger number of non-marginal +EV spots postflop.
And if you want to see how unconnectedness affects your equity:
65s:
64s:
63s:
Given the following ranges:
Here is the flop equity graph for T9s against those ranges:
And here is the graph for 34s:
So if you are playing T9s because you think it gets you into profitable situations on the flop, I think you should also be playing 34s.
It looks like you will hit the same number of flops with 25%+ equity with both hands, but you will more often with 34s hit flops that give you 10-25% equity.
The closeness of the two graphs though I think helps to show how much more important postflop play is when it comes to situations like this.
Addendum: That's not to say that preflop spots are marginal so it doesn't matter if you play them or not. If you are a much better postflop player than your opponents, then it IS important to play every marginal preflop hand so that you get yourself in a larger number of non-marginal +EV spots postflop.
And if you want to see how unconnectedness affects your equity:
65s:
64s:
63s:
Also, I'd be really interested to see some sort of comparison between like what hands flop the nuts/near nuts versus hands that flop strong hands/5th nuts etc (ie over flushed, top end of straights vs bottom end of straights)
02-26-2012
, 08:16 PM
Quote:
What program generates this data? Looks very interesting
Also, I'd be really interested to see some sort of comparison between like what hands flop the nuts/near nuts versus hands that flop strong hands/5th nuts etc (ie over flushed, top end of straights vs bottom end of straights)
Also, I'd be really interested to see some sort of comparison between like what hands flop the nuts/near nuts versus hands that flop strong hands/5th nuts etc (ie over flushed, top end of straights vs bottom end of straights)
Flopzilla will give you this data:
Say you want to compare low suited connectors vs suited 2 gappers to see how often each flops nutty hands:
Range: 98s,87s,76s,65s,54s,43s,32s
Flop Hand Strength:
>=quads: 0.02843%
full house: 0.09184%
flush: 0.8236%
straight: 1.148%
3 of a kind: 1.347%
two pair: 2.02%
overpair: 0%
top pair: 3%
pp below tp: 0%
middle pair: 11.27%
weak pair: 14.69%
ace high: 0%
no made hand: 65.58%
flushdr.(2 card): 10.94%
nut fd (1 card): 0%
OESD: 8.18%
gutshot: 15.76%
overcards: 2.709%
flushdraw+pair: 1.684%
flushdr.+oesd: 1.056%
flushdr.+gutsh.: 2.007%
oesd+pair: 1.259%
gutshot+pair: 2.729%
gutshot+overc.: 0.8309%
Range: T7s,96s,85s,74s,63s,52s
Flop Hand Strength:
>=quads: 0.02041%
full house: 0.09184%
flush: 0.8316%
straight: 0.6429%
3 of a kind: 1.347%
two pair: 2.02%
overpair: 0%
top pair: 3.745%
pp below tp: 0%
middle pair: 12.32%
weak pair: 12.9%
ace high: 0%
no made hand: 66.09%
flushdr.(2 card): 10.94%
nut fd (1 card): 0%
OESD: 4.538%
gutshot: 13.55%
overcards: 1.671%
flushdraw+pair: 1.684%
flushdr.+oesd: 0.6046%
flushdr.+gutsh.: 1.76%
oesd+pair: 0.4898%
gutshot+pair: 1.959%
gutshot+overc.: 0.3214%
You can also do cumulative totals to visualize something like top pair or better. And it's much better if you see a screenshot:
