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Old 04-13-2018, 07:54 PM   #51
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Re: Moving up to 1/3

After you flat the flop raise with AJs and don't hit a backdoor flush card you're either way ahead or way behind. You have a textbook medium strength check back hand. What possible reason do you have to bet here? Please explain. You think you're ahead and you're going to get value after you cold-called a raise-reraise from exactly what hands that hero has here? If hero doesn't have at least AJ here he's folding his entire range except for QTcc to any bet you make. Betting that turn with AJdd is a terrible play. You shouldn't be betting to deny clubs equity here either because they're so unlikely. Your goal should be to get to showdown as cheaply as possible unless a safe card lands on the river and it checks through again. Then you bet small for thin value.
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Old 04-13-2018, 08:13 PM   #52
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After you flat the flop raise with AJs and don't hit a backdoor flush card you're either way ahead or way behind. You have a textbook medium strength check back hand. What possible reason do you have to bet here? Please explain. You think you're ahead and you're going to get value after you cold-called a raise-reraise from exactly what hands that hero has here? If hero doesn't have at least AJ here he's folding his entire range except for QTcc to any bet you make. Betting that turn with AJdd is a terrible play. You shouldn't be betting to deny clubs equity here either because they're so unlikely. Your goal should be to get to showdown as cheaply as possible unless a safe card lands on the river and it checks through again. Then you bet small for thin value.
Again, I wouldnt be in this spot with AJ but if I was I agree its WA/WB and I would be fairly confidant that Im way ahead. I can count the number of players on 1 hand who would raise a flop donk bet and then check the turn with an overpair. It just about never happens.

Its pretty obvious that the donk better has a J. AJ will be way ahead of the donk better almost every time.

Hero's line with QQ doesnt make much sense and I almost never see it (which is why its so great) except that he didnt follow thru and crai on the turn. I understand your points, but we have different styles and Im sticking with my advice to crai or fold the turn depending on my read at the time.
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Old 04-13-2018, 11:23 PM   #53
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Old 04-14-2018, 08:38 AM   #54
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Tough spot. Let me think...

First, I think there's a perception error with the opponent you are facing. You wrote that 'you get the vibe he is solid, because he sits 2/5 all the time.'

I don't think you can make this assumption without having played with him. Just because you see a guy at a higher limit than you play or at the casino all the time doesn't necessarily mean he's a good player.

Where I play there are plenty of players that play 2/5, that I've played 1/2 with and they aren't good at all. I think this was the first mistake in your thinking and it clouded your judgement for the rest of the hand. This is related to previous threads with playing against unknowns and I would err on the side of caution (which you did)

Now with the hand. When he calls your raise on the flop I would put him on AJ at the worst and most likely a set or two pair. What else can he have? You have QQ so QT is unlikely, there aren't any other draws, and I HIGHLY doubt he's calling with a gutter.

On the turn I'm leaning towards checking and folding the way the hand played out. A lot would depend on what type of read I could pick up at the time.
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Old 04-14-2018, 01:49 PM   #55
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OP, what is your raising range vs the fish's donk on J93r after you open 5x from utg+1?

Was just putting myself in btn's shoes for a moment and wondering how I'd feel about AJdd in this spot. If I'm btn and I think you would open AJ/KJ/QJ from EP, even just the suited versions, and then raise a fish's donk with a good chunk of these, I'm not sure I could fold tptk + bdfd 200bb deep ip either.
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Old 04-14-2018, 02:39 PM   #56
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OP, what is your raising range vs the fish's donk on J93r after you open 5x from utg+1?

Was just putting myself in btn's shoes for a moment and wondering how I'd feel about AJdd in this spot. If I'm btn and I think you would open AJ/KJ/QJ from EP, even just the suited versions, and then raise a fish's donk with a good chunk of these, I'm not sure I could fold tptk + bdfd 200bb deep ip either.
well the main point is when the fish donk leads like that I don't have any bluffs because he has such a shallow stack. if he was deeper I could mix in some bluffs but with his stack size there is no fold equity.

so I'm narrow to strictly value heavy hands......

fish starts the hand with roughly 70 bigs and in live poker we all know that's nothing given the open sizing and the dynamics of live
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I could kind of get with villain buttons call because he does have position and backdoor diamonds and we are "deeper"
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Old 04-14-2018, 03:30 PM   #57
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well the main point is when the fish donk leads like that I don't have any bluffs because he has such a shallow stack. if he was deeper I could mix in some bluffs but with his stack size there is no fold equity.

so I'm narrow to strictly value heavy hands......

fish starts the hand with roughly 70 bigs and in live poker we all know that's nothing given the open sizing and the dynamics of live
play

I could kind of get with villain buttons call because he does have position and backdoor diamonds and we are "deeper"
Right, I get that, but are you only raising the fish's donk with QQ+, or are you raising with AJ, KJ, QJ(assuming you open the suited varieties pf from ep)? I mean, I would be.
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