I do think flatting would be under reppin our hand seeing as how the bet is less than a half pot bet. Raising the flop could be easier, but seeing as how there are other players in this hand we're also putting more money in when we could be behind.

Regarding bolded: i agree with you in a vacuum and you are correct. Not many players at the lowest stakes is capable of observing our game so detailed AND deploy exploiting adjustments in their own game to counter it.

However, the key is that you have to be able to identify _if_ you are indeed up against good enough players that is exploiting you or readjusting to you quite well. Its important to be hypersensetive to those kind of things,for example take notice if the same player is showing up with a higher than normal raise or check-raise frequenzy against you that is indicating that he is taking advantage of you.

But as a thumb of rule, i think many players at the lowest stakes would be better off winrate wise and bankrollwise to fold 1 pair hands everytime they get raised or check/raised to a meaningful amount postflop. The population tendencies is just so incredibly off balance, and weighted towards nutted hands when taking aggressive actions postflop. Obviously this is putting it on the edge to illustrate a certain point,- but still it should be some food for thought.

So did the OP end up finding out their holdings? I'm curious the way the hand played out.

I would be shocked if villain didn't have a set here. I c/f turn as well given that our hand looks like AJ or better and he don't care. But I assume since this is a thread that his inability to fold tptk cost you the pot.

P.S. Congrats on moving up to 1-3 - crush em'!

+1

the only time I have no problem getting it in with overpairs are vs maniacs at LLSNL

but when you get raised vs these opponents they are not exploiting you these villains are just waking up with a hand and this is 100% the majority of the population at these stakes

this hand hasn't left my mind since it happened lol

V2 can play both 99 and 33 this way both pre and post-flop, particularly if he perceives you as a tight player based on the limited action he's viewed. Those are definitely the heavily weighted part of his range after the cold flat of $75. V3 can have all sorts of garbage here, but J9 is well within his range as well. If V2 had the shorter stack I'd be OK with CRAI vs. V3 to build a side pot and mitigate a likely loss in the main vs. a set, but as played I think that's a fold on the turn every time.

As far as raising vs. calling flop: you block QT and the flop is a rainbow, so there's not many cards bad turn cards to be afraid of. I think I agree with just calling to give V3's Jx rope.

2/5 players know how to adjust when moving down to 1/2 & 1/3, theyll remove quite a few bluffs and adjust 3bet ranges. The smooth call here in position vs donk lead into pfr should sound the alarm bells, which they did, so good.

Sounds like you dont have much info on him other than he plays 2/5 and has tight pre flop selection in 1/3...

I like what Koss said about tptk or AJ, its very good food for thought.

What do you think the 2/5 guy puts you on here?

Ahead of 2/5 guy a large percentage of the time and almost always live. I dont know what your roll is or how comfortable you are stacking off with an overpair multiway on a draw heavy board. Its really a decision thats up to you. If this is your local room decisions like this can affect your image long term, especially if youre going to be moving up to 2/5. Which you certainly should. One way to get there is to be a bad reg, nut peddling nit who folds all their marginal spots...youll get there, slowly.

edit: just saw spoiler, good read, good fold otr. Dont like the turn check. Bad run out. I may have jammed turn (for value) and got stacked.

I find it hard to believe a good 2/5 player is cold flatting your $75 flop raise after a donk bet into the PFR on your standard 1/3 game with AJ. If you believe he's a good player, you should be very afraid when he flats your flop raise.

You weren't aware whether he was good or not, but now you know. He's just a donkey with a bigger bankroll than you. As Koss said, keep this in your memory bank that he overvalues his hands.

I think the flop raise was clearly good. If you call the fish has named himself an ok price to draw and Mr. 2/5 has an excellent price. Aces and kings on the turn scare us and Vs alike.

Most of all, looks like the fish is a huge station. He isn't folding, so the raise becomes 100% correct imo.

Yeah flopping tptk with backdoor diamonds and he doesn't fold to a pot sized raise, what a donk.

Lots of solid advice. FWIW, I would’ve come over the top of him on the turn all in.

V2 is not that good if he called your flop raise with TPTK after you PFRed unless he thinks you are a total nit whom he can blow out of the pot when your hand is basically face up as KK

This isn't the action you're looking to see when you want to float your TPTK with a backdoor flush draw with. You wanted to float a flop cbet with that hand, not this.

His hand is pretty face-up here. You've got <25% equity against QQ+. Add QTs and a few overplayed middle pairs and JJ/99 and you're still not realizing your equity against a big turn bet which is usually coming. Without knowing Hero and whether he can get OOL here, this is a fold I think you can make with AJdd pretty often against your average 1/3 player. You're also not closing the action with the original donk still to act. It's a rainbow flop and you have a bet/raise in front of you, so are you just also completely dismissing the donk bettor here with your AJdd, too? Convinced he has QT/T8/KJ? That's a pretty narrow range to assign a fish that donk bet into the PFR (and a second player), particularly since you block Jx when you hold AJdd.

he did say its 7 handed your range can be wider

like I said tho ive never played with this villain hes just a 2/5 regular

I think you need to re-evaluate this guy as his play is inconsistent with that of a "good player" IMO.

I see plenty of 2-5 regulars who over a dozen years have not improved or changed their game one bit.
a reg doesn't = good

and someone else said 2-5 players can adjust stepping down, I would say less than 10% of them can set their ego aside.

I see 2-5 and 5-10 regs donk off multiple buy-ins at 1-2 all the time as they think they can run over the game

Why? What possible range of hands (not the result hand) would you put him on where you would think this would be a move that was +EV given how you have played up to the turn, how he has played up to the turn, AND remaining stacks?

Shove on the turn is pure spew IMO.

Absolutely not. Did you read my prior post (#4 in the thread). There are more hands that a tough 2/5 player could have here on top of the ones I listed. Not that this guy is necessarily a tough 2/5 player...but the fact remains there are hands that a crai works great against and villain could easily have a hand like AJ like he ended up having.

The absolute worst case would be we call the turn bet and then check/fold the best hand on the river. We dont know whether or not this guy would shove his AJ or worse hand on a blank river so calling the turn just to fold the river is terrible.

If we want to be results oriented, we can say it worked out this time, but we could also say villain folds AJ to a crai all in a good percentage of the time so hero's play was still wrong.

image a world where there was always a right decision at a poker table...............

Agree to disagree on ranging what we think is "a tough 2/5 player" given the relatively shallow stacks. V's range is nowhere near as wide as you think given how he has played this hand. If we were much deeper, and/or if Hero had any history with V, then perhaps I would agree. However, we have neither a deep stack nor ANY history so absent those things, I don't think we can consider a CR OTT as anything other than a poor play.

Flop raise is good because we know a donk tends to be weak so you should find a way to add in some extra value hands and maybe a small ratio of semi bluffs if you feel confident.

Folding turn. V2 is ******ed for betting top-top after calling a flop raise. Think of all the times you made a flat like V2 did and got worried about how obviously strong you looked

Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

Well, based on the actual hand he had, which should at least be the baseline since its not very hard to believe that he had AJ, crai on the turn wouldve been the perfect play.

If I'm identifying this V as a good player, then he shouldn't be betting his AJs on the turn, based on the preflop and flop action, unless a backdoor flush card landed (and it didn't because the Jc was on the flop already when the turn club came).

Saying we should CRAI on the turn only works if we know V is capable of playing this hand as poorly as he did. He should have folded the flop most of the time facing 2 bets and not closing the action, and even if he decided a float was a good idea, he should not be betting this turn, bloating a pot that he's likely to be way behind in. He should be happy to get to the river and evaluate the action there with a good but not great hand. This is check-back all day every day.

Now that OP knows that V is maybe not as good as he thought he was (and I'm not even saying this V is a bad player, I was exaggerating when I said he was a donkey), he can keep this hand in his memory bank in case he plays this guy again.

I disagree. I wouldnt be in this spot with AJ, but if I somehow was, based on the action I would be fairly confidant that AJ was good on the turn and I would be betting. Id be LESS likely to bet if I picked up more equity like a FD because I wouldnt want to get crai (which I am saying a good player in Heros position should be doing here)