Monster hand vs table full of dummies..max value?
Join Date: Sep 2018
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Playing 1-2 NL holdem at the barn last night. It's a long weekend in Canada, lots of people drinking.
Table is very loose and aggressive. Pre-flop raises to $20 with multiple callers is common.
Villain 1 - loose aggressive player, has a reputation of being one. 600 in front He's UTG, bought in 3 times but caught a nice run and has about 600 in front.
Villain 2 - Very passive, calling station, has about $400 in front. Lowjack position.
Hero - On the cutoff, has about $400.
Villain raises to $15, folds all around Villain 2 calls. Hero has 2d, 2s. Decides implied odds on a set are worth it, and calls.
Flop comes 8c 2c, 2h ..for the incredible quads! Hero is very happy and does his best to restrain his excitement.
Villain 1 bets out $25, Villain 2 snap calls, hero Snap calls hoping to impersonate a flush draw.
Turn card comes 4d (brick).
Villain bets $75..( I think to myself Villain is actually trying to protect an overpair. Villain 2 hesitates for a minute and calls. Hero emulates Villain 2, waits for a minute and calls.
River comes the Ace of Clubs.
Villain 1 has a look like he hated that river card. His body language says F--- off. Villain 1 checks. Villain 2, pauses and bets out $50.
Hero not sure what to do. The choices seem to be:
a) Call, hoping Villain 1, will call with Jacks or Queens. Perhaps, even go for a bluff-raise -steal sensing weakness if I call.
b) Raise to $100, maybe the raise is small enough that Villain 1 will still look it up and Villain 2 will call.
3) raise really big, maybe raise to 200 or go all in. Problem is Villain 1 will surely fold without a big ace and Villlain 2 may have the flush or may have been chasing Ace-X.
Last edited by Garick; 10-07-2018 at 12:39 PM.
Reason: removed results
Join Date: Dec 2007
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OP, I think you've been told before. Please don't include results as it biases responses. I edited them out.
The correct answer is #3, AINEC. You are only getting paid if someone hit the flush, but that's the same with the min-raise, so go for max value when someone has something they can call with.
FWIW, I raise turn to get more value out of FDs and be able to GII OTR if the flush does come in.
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Preflop is standard given the conditions.
On the flop the pots is about $45 so $25 is a little on the small side but after V2 calls flat calling is fine. Raise the flop occasionally.
On the turn the pot is $115. The $75 is a fairly big bet so flat calling again is OK. You should raise turn sometimes also and if the bet had been smaller or V2 had folded a turn raise would be standard.
On the river the pot is $340 and you have $285 left and somebody bet into you. Shove is obvious. A hand big enough to play here will pay you off often enough that going smaller is costing you money. You would need a very specific read to go with anything else.