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05-05-2020 , 10:21 PM
I like a small 3b on the turn. River sucks obviously but I also like a shove given he's pretty inelastic to sizing.
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05-06-2020 , 09:11 AM
If the opponent is thinking a bit, flopped sets will be tough to assign (Hero range). More flushes, imo.

I'd overbet … $400.
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05-06-2020 , 11:16 AM
shove 100% of the time here.
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05-07-2020 , 08:09 AM
Pot is $40
Flop is Kc7c4c

Hero bets $30
Only villain calls

Pot is $100
Turn board is Kc7c4c7d
Villain checks.
Hero $60
Villain raises to $120
Hero calls

Pot is $340
River board is Kc7c4c7d4h
Villain checks.
Hero bets $300
Villain calls and shows Ac5c

I probably could have gotten $400 on the river but I'm not sure more would have worked. Villain obviously liked their hand on the turn but when they didn't bet river they probably are not interested in putting all of the money in.

River is an odd bad card. it's a scary card to a bad player because it double pairs the board. Suddenly their flushes don't look nearly as good. A better villain would realize that since they have the Ac the only reasonable hands I could have are already flushes or boats.
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05-07-2020 , 01:08 PM
Hmmmm? You wouldn't call a min raise OTT with a 7? I would think your IO would be pretty good, except for this exact card.

I'm surprised he paid the 300, frankly, you didn't mention major stationy tendencies in the OP.
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05-07-2020 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ

River is a scary card to a bad player because it makes lots of boats. A better villain would realize that since they have the Ac the only reasonable hands I could have are boats.
FYP and....wat

100% Villain raised turn not because he liked his hand but to "see where he's at". Thats why he x/c flop, to make sure a bad card doesnt peel. A bad cards peels so he raises you just to make sure. You called anyway sealing the contract. Then he pays off the river just to prove how bad he runs.

I'm shocked he called $300, and would love to have seen a jam snapped off if he cant reason himself out of a paper bag like this. I still lean towards a small vbet just because who on earth calls a full value bet with the 14th nuts.
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05-07-2020 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Buster65
Hmmmm? You wouldn't call a min raise OTT with a 7? I would think your IO would be pretty good, except for this exact card.

I'm surprised he paid the 300, frankly, you didn't mention major stationy tendencies in the OP.
He did say something about calling down with top pair.

Also how often do you see people fold the nut flush even on a board like this?
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05-12-2020 , 01:06 PM
well played imo
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05-13-2020 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Buster65
Hmmmm? You wouldn't call a min raise OTT with a 7? I would think your IO would be pretty good, except for this exact card.
Of course I call the min raise with a bare 7X. The problem is what bare 7X do I have? With a huge crowd in the hand the only thing a reasonably player bets on the flop is Ac7X and the villain has the ace. Any other 7X betting here is a maniac bluff.

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I'm shocked he called $300, and would love to have seen a jam snapped off if he cant reason himself out of a paper bag like this. I still lean towards a small vbet just because who on earth calls a full value bet with the 14th nuts.
My thinking on the river was that he was testing the water with a weak flush or had a really good flush on the turn. He is folding the weak flushes to anything but a small suck bet but if he has a good flush he is now likely to call a substantial bet but isn't going to raise.
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05-13-2020 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Interesting. I think doing practically the opposite is probably better (ie betting as bluffs and for value on monochrome boards) but I think there can be room for betting, check calling, and check raising at times. Also lol balancing in live poker where you never reach the long-term with any one opponent.
You have given alot of fantastic info on this forum for years. But you're wrong here.

First betting as bluffs and value is a form of balance. So you are naturaly balancing at least parts of your range. I'm not talking about anywhere near GTO balance either. It is fairly obvious that explotative play is far superior for maximizing EV at low stakes.

But with this corona virus I now actually have hard data to back my theory up.

Keeping ranges loosly balanced has proven to be far superior in a field of live players and it isn't even remotely close. Tracking results of small player pool (all 1/2 No live players) playing online over coarse of last 2 months has made this obvious.
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