1/3 NL

Fish UTG+1- $215
Me (cut off)- $200 A5
Villain (Button)- $380 action player willing to take risks

The action starts with the Villain straddling on the button to 6 4 limps and I limp and the button squeezes to $30

2 callers and then I make the call getting 4:1

4 players to the flop

The flop comes K28

The pot is $132 pre

The action checks to the pre flop aggressor who leads out for $80

It folds to the fish who jams for $189 total

Hero?

Welcome to the forum, OP. Please don't include results in your HHs. It biases people's advice. I edited them out.

Is this a California game? Is $200 the max BI? If not, top up pre.

Over limp is OK, given the chain and us being in good position, though it's iffy, given how short we are. Calling the raise is just awful. Forget "getting 4:1." You have a hugely dominated hand and no IOs to speak of because stacks are too short. Fold pre.

As played, you're committed with 9 outs to the nuts. Even if the fish has several lower FDs in his range to take away some of your outs, you should be about 35% to win the hand. And even if BTN has complete air and is going to fold, your call is only 30.8% of the current pot.

You should never have been here though. Your chance of flopping the FD was only 11%, and your chance of flopping 2-pair was only 2%. On basically every other flop, you just wasted $30, and if you're not good enough to turbo fold when you hit a weak TP, you likely lose a ton more given PF action.

My only disagreement with Garick is that over limping A5s with an action player on the button straddling is a bad idea. He's going to raise the majority of the time and you'll need to fold. Save the $6.

I agree with this but can any argument be made for raising pre? I know we are short stacked but we are in late position and we have a decent hand with an ace blocker. Four limpers are probably pretty weak. You might pick up the button but at least you now have initiative. Then on this flop you have a lot more fold equity than you do when you limp/call.

The max buy is 300 the average stacks are typically in the low 200s

I know you were talking about raising the first time around, Art, but I certainly think a case could be made for a resqueeze shove when action gets back to us and there is ~90 in the pot. Straddler is most likely defending, and the limpers have had 2 chances to raise and didn't.

I think our hand is just strong enough to make this a reasonable play here. I think the shove gets enough folds, and we do have equity when called.

I certainly would never call the 30.

Sounds like a great spot to be shortstacking and riding the variance train.

As played, what do you range the players at who limp/call the $30 and the preflop raiser who made it $30?

Is this a spot where we can profitably ship it in pre and pick up dead money or possibly get it in ahead of the raiser's range of ATC who wants to gamble it up?

When we see this flop, we can never fold.

Get it in.

If we double up, we might have to consider switching seats if the Button is capable of giving us problems. Currently sitting on a fairly short $200, this won't be an issue.

I'm cool with overlimping and attempting to get into a cheap multiway pot and ~nutmine mostly in position.

Our immediate odds don't matter much, what matters is our implied odds, and with our small stack we can't put in 15% of it preflop with a speculative hand and expect to be profitable. Trivial fold to the raise. ETA: Regarding shipping it preflop, we think an action player is going to fold with all this money in there? Course I guess this *might* be for value against him, but meh.

I would probably open ship the flop. With our overs and nut flush draw we have decent equity against one pair hands, and we should have decent FE against pretty much every pair other than Kx; even QQ will have a hard time making this call (and we're already 50/50 with them).

As played, it's a math problem. The raiser looks likes he's probably committed, so I'm guessing we're going to be asked to call $170 to win $470, so we need 27% equity; if the raiser somehow folds, we'll be calling $170 to win $380, so we need 31% equity. We should probably assume with this action that some of our outs are rotten (if up against a set or another flush draw), but my guess is that it is pretty close and we might have a thin call at this point (with the flush draw alone worth about 36% equity).

Gnotexactlyclearwhothefishishere,imoG

I agree that I hate limp-calling with A5s. A much better line is limp-squeeze. This is like the textbook example of the perfect spot for it.

Limp-jam PF would be oh so sexy in this spot.