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missed value with AA? missed value with AA?

08-23-2013 , 11:24 AM
1-2 at local with usual mix of players, 3 good, 3 ave (inc me) 3 awful... no really aggro players today...2 short stacks, 2 $500+ rest around 300
utg makes it $10 to go, 6 callers by the time it gets to me in bb with AA. I raise to $40 and everyone folds! I thought I'd get at least 1 caller maybe 2... So I pick up the pot but did I miss out there? raise too big?
I don't think my image is that tight, I 3bed twice (1 light) in the last hour and raised early twice...
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08-23-2013 , 11:31 AM
3bet pre is fine tho if anything is on the low side. I'd 3bet to 40-50 pre and I'm pretty sure others will advocate 3betting to 50. What is your stack size btw? U picked up $71 in dead money.....be happy with the result.
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08-23-2013 , 11:36 AM
You played it fine. Nothing worse than seeing a flop 7 handed with AA. Id advocate raising even bigger, especially if you have a loose image as it looks like a squeeze.
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08-23-2013 , 11:39 AM
Given pot size $40 too small. $55 better.

Open your 3b range.
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08-23-2013 , 11:53 AM
$50 pre
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08-23-2013 , 12:04 PM
I'm shocked you took it down preflop with such a small 3bet.

Given the amount of dead money I'd raise much more, ~90, although I might just round up to 100.
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08-23-2013 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bremen
I'm shocked you took it down preflop with such a small 3bet.

Given the amount of dead money I'd raise much more, ~90, although I might just round up to 100.
I was surprised i didnt get at least one caller...I wasn't really trying to 'take it down' pre, just get it hu n hope they catch a piece of it n spew... bad idea? I should always be 'taking it down' pre?
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08-23-2013 , 01:24 PM
I think the ideal 3 bet is whatever will get 1 caller. Getting 0, and taking it down isn't so bad, neither is getting 2. More than that, and although you have the equity advantage, you may curse variance when the random 2 pr hits, or the flop is monotone, but not one of your suits...

Tough for UTG to 4 bet without KK+ I think, as they have 6 limpers behind. A little easier as it gets down the line, but by the time the last limper has to call $30 with $110 in the pot, perhaps that 89s didn't look quite so good HU and OOP to the 3bettor.
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08-23-2013 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Calidesto
I was surprised i didnt get at least one caller...I wasn't really trying to 'take it down' pre, just get it hu n hope they catch a piece of it n spew... bad idea? I should always be 'taking it down' pre?
Out of the blinds much of the profits for QQ+ come when you do take it down preflop or with a flop c-bet. When you do get action past that your beat often enough that the EV is actually smaller.

The $300 pot you take down when somebody shoves KQ vs your AA on a K73 board is offset by the times you loose $300 because they shoved 77. You end up winning here only around 60% because your facing sets and big draws more then single pairs. And since half of that is money you put in yourself, the +EV is only around $30.

When somebody makes it $10 from EP and gets 3 callers and then you raise to $50 out of the blinds, your actually at +$40 EV if everybody folds. Taking it down uncontested is very profitable and you should never be unhappy with your big pair folding everybody out if there is some dead money in the pot.
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08-23-2013 , 01:45 PM
I would have made it $65 or $70 preflop. It's already a $70 pot when it gets to you. I'm surprised you didn't get 4 callers for $40.
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08-23-2013 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Calidesto
I was surprised i didnt get at least one caller...I wasn't really trying to 'take it down' pre, just get it hu n hope they catch a piece of it n spew... bad idea? I should always be 'taking it down' pre?
Getting one caller is a mantra around here. But once one person calls it becomes much more likely the next one calls and so forth. This gives them immediate odds to set mine.

Generally the larger a pot is the more you want to win it now vs playing for someone's stack.
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08-23-2013 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool
$50 pre
This, but same result, happy with pot size especially with no flop. Happily on to the next hand
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08-23-2013 , 02:11 PM
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Getting one caller is a mantra around here
I didn't know that, but it seemed to make sense to me at the time...

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But once one person calls it becomes much more likely the next one calls and so forth. This gives them immediate odds to set mine.
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The $300 pot you take down when somebody shoves KQ vs your AA on a K73 board is offset by the times you loose $300 because they shoved 77
These actually make a lot more sense now...
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08-23-2013 , 02:40 PM
OOP to the field I'm making at least a pot sized raise in this spot. So rounding to the nearest nickel I go $80 here. If everyone folds that's fine. That's a lot of dead money out there. Playing big overpairs OOP postflop isn't that hot.
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08-23-2013 , 03:05 PM
If anything, the raise is far too small, imo. There's already $70 in the pot. If I was sitting on ~$300 I probably would have made it close to $100, hoping that someone thinks that's a fancy squeeze, and then be able to shove a ~PSB on any flop.

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08-23-2013 , 03:10 PM
You must be a super old mega nit cause I'm getting called in 7spots here when I make it 40 lol. $40 pre is fine definitely not making it any smaller maybe bigger depending on the game. In most 1/2 games making it $50-60 especially deep. Also, effective stack size would be nice.
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08-23-2013 , 03:18 PM
That's amazing that 7 people folded getting almost 4:1 preflop, wow.

But assuming you had $300, after your preflop call SPR = 3.6, so winning a full psb is a pretty damn good outcome.
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08-23-2013 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by interesting.frog
That's amazing that 7 people folded getting almost 4:1 preflop, wow.
Yea seriously. Like even if you raise a big amount youre usually still gonna get action by some guy with a $40 stack or less who just wants to gamble with his 86o.
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08-23-2013 , 11:11 PM
I make it 75 pre then promptly ask for a transfer when everyone folds.
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08-24-2013 , 12:14 AM
3bet to $65, sets up easy turn shove for most boards.
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