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08-11-2015 , 08:48 PM
In an attempt to finally get to improve I am going to ask for hand opinions. Now last night I played so poorly,only one hand came to mind to post.

1/2 NL 8handed. Already stuck for the session.
My Starting Stack $84
I'm on the button w/77

A cpl $2 calls. HJ makes it $10. c/o calls. I call.

Flop 78K rainbow
HJ leads out for $17,CO calls.
Now here is where I probably blew it. I shove all in for $74 total. My thinking,I didn't have much behind,so I thought a call would look suspicious here. I had just moved to this table from a broken game.Only 5th hand at table.I just misplayed JJ and lost to A9 on 23845 board. I figured if someone had AK here,I'd get a call.Hoping it looks like I'm tilting here from that hand. HJ folds. CO shows me KJoff and folds.

Do I just flat the $17. Leaving me $57 behind. And hope the HJ fires again? Do I min raise to $30? Which to me looks like I'm begging for a call. Thoughts?
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08-11-2015 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kcb5523
Which to me looks like I'm begging for a call. Thoughts?
You are begging for a call, right? So beg away!! FE is your enemy when you are short stacked and you flop pure.. You need to figure out how to get everyones money in the pot.

If you min raise you are encouraging their calls, which in this case you want. You bet for two reasons, make a better hand fold, or a worse hand call.. You prevented either of those things from happening!

Min raise to $34.. That leaves you a nice little teaser $40 bet on the turn which they have to call.. You win the pot of $212 (30 pre flop, $112 on the flop, and $80 on the turn).

If your set is no good, it is no good. You are going broke if you are no good, no way around that. You HAVE to double up when your set is good.
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08-11-2015 , 09:27 PM
Just call. HJ and CO aren't just going to shut down because a SS overcalled OTB. You let them off the hook, let them see the turn next time.
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08-11-2015 , 09:57 PM
I realized my error almost immediately. I agree w/both your opinions on what I should've done.
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08-11-2015 , 10:03 PM
I don't think it's terrible. Original raiser lead into 2 people- if he has AA or a long then he's never folding. If he doesn't have those, he's probably not double barreling.
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08-11-2015 , 10:10 PM
Good for you, that you're thinking about stack sizes. In this particular case it's kind of hard to make it work perfectly but you are definitely barking up the right tree.

So. Say you started with $200 instead of $84. What would you bet on the flop?
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08-11-2015 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by kcb5523
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1/2 NL 8handed. Already stuck for the session.
My Starting Stack $84
I'm on the button w/77

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Can you add more detail to this part?
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08-11-2015 , 10:37 PM
Either way is okay. All in or call.
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08-11-2015 , 10:40 PM
Preflop is actually the biggest problem here. With only $84 you shouldn't be calling a raise to $10, you don't have enough money to set mine. You should mostly be folding 77 but if initial raiser is loose then shoving is OK also.

Once you see the flop it is just a question of the best way to get your stack in. Shoving, min-raise or flat might be best depending on villains. For the most part I think shoving is the best move with your stack size. It's just unlucky that you ran into two weak hands. If you just flat there are a lot of turn cards that might freeze the action. The min-raise isn't bad in this hand but will often limit villains to hands that are drawing to beat you and is often money losing long term.
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08-11-2015 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by AbqDave
Good for you, that you're thinking about stack sizes. In this particular case it's kind of hard to make it work perfectly but you are definitely barking up the right tree.

So. Say you started with $200 instead of $84. What would you bet on the flop?
On that specific board,where there isn't any draw that worries me(even though it is 1/2), I probably just call the $17 to see if they fire on turn and to make it seem I have something like 910 or 56,which in 1/2 isn't out of the ordinary to have on the button in this spot . If they both check the turn, I either check behind,or make a small bet $20-25,hoping in either case the straight did not come.
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08-12-2015 , 01:46 AM
Reload prehand.

With a stack as small as yours, you can't call this hand PF as you don't have the odds needed to set mine. Depending on reads on the opener and caller, this is either a shove or a fold.

As played, I don't hate a flop shove, but I prefer a flat here. The PFR will bet the turn again if he hit this board, in which case he'll be committed to call a shove. If the turn checks to you, you can just shove yourself. Shoving flop doesn't really gain us anything, since hands that will call the flop will get it in on the turn regardless, and shoving prevents either villain from bluffing at the pot on the turn.
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