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Misplayed Aces? Misplayed Aces?

10-08-2013 , 04:20 AM
3bet pre. As played snap
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10-08-2013 , 05:22 AM
This is the problem with you guys who are constantly leveling yourself because you watch all the high stakes pro's balancing their ranges, taking unusual lines to get paid off etc etc.
At a 1/2 table you are not trying to slow play and trap with aces unless you are good enough to fold them post-flop when you are beat instead you should be looking to stack your opponent with AA, So depending on his stack you should be raising big pre-flop and i mean BIG. When sitting at a 1/2 table you need to quickly analyze all the players within 1-2 orbits and realise who the fish are/nits are/half decent thinking players are. at most 1/2 full ring tables the ratio will be 5/2/1 and then you yourself might be either a half decent player or in fact a very talented player but it's all irrelevant if you are not getting maximum value from Aces.
IMO your play after the flop doesn't matter that much because you have already misplayed your hand completely pre-flop, as it is though it is a call as you are massively under-repped.

Also you mentioned you just sat down which means no one has seen you play many hands at this point and your 3bet may not get much respect, for example yesterday i sat down at a 1/2 cash game and picked up QQ in my first hand in the BB and got it in pre-flop in a tough spot only to be snapped off by 56s! Doubled up and enjoyed my day. LOL

Last edited by ReallyAverageGuy; 10-08-2013 at 05:28 AM.
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10-08-2013 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by No$$HuEvry1isSolid
I also thought that my hand was really under-repped which skewed me more towards calling.

Unfortunately I did not have the Ad.

Secondary question: since I played the hand so slowly I could have taken a completely different line and like check/called. But would I really have wanted to?

results to come
Generally if I slow play something I dont like to change speeds in the middle of a hand unless I'm sure I have nuts/near nuts. If the action shows a lot of aggression that 'makes sense' you have to be MORE willing to toss your holding than normal. This is really more so when in a multi-way pot where you get caught in the middle of a raising war. If you dont have it in you to muck these kinds of hands, then NEVER play them slow so you dont put yourself into those positions more often.

If you slow play and have someone who is willing to build the pot for you then c/calling each street is fine ... with a c/r on the River. GL
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10-08-2013 , 09:53 AM
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As played, I called....
Spoiler:
Villian flips KK for a set and the board does not improve my hand.

Was this a mini cooler? Or could I have found a fold?
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AP you can find a fold against the 'right' player. Since you just sat down you dont have any information on these opponents and should make the call IMO. I wouldnt call this a mini cooler ... 2 outs is 2 outs!!

Generally in 1-2 if you overbet/raise and get shoved on you are crushed or flipping. There arent enough times when you find a bluff here ... but in this case I probably find a call depending on my initial image of the guy. It was your first bullet ... It would have been cool to flip the AA face up into the muck to set an image for yourself .. good or bad ... GL
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10-08-2013 , 10:20 AM
I would have 3bet PF to $50 hoping V re-raises me so I can get it all-in. You don't need to randomize on the first hand. When you start throwing money around on the first hand, a lot of villians will convince themselves you are bluffing or 3betting light, especially if they have a good hand.

Since you didn't show any strength preflop, you don't know if V's bet means he hit the flop or if it's just a c-bet. I would probably just call, but would fold if V bets again on turn.

The problem with raising is that without specific reads, you should probably fold with just an overpair to a shove on the flop. Since, you just sat down, you don't have any reads. So, I wouldn't want to raise knowing that it puts me in a sick spot if V decides to call or shove.
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10-09-2013 , 01:09 AM
If Villian has AK or KQ with FD, you are flipping. Ultimately, either flatting or 3betting pre made no difference even though I would rather 3 bet a much higher frequency than 50% with AA. As played, Villain's range is AA, KK, AKo, AKs, 88, 33, and suited KdXd AdXd combos. This includes no bluffs. Against this range Hero is a slight favorite. I would jam.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

142,560 games 0.002 secs 71,280,000 games/sec

Board: Kd 8s 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.411% 50.42% 01.99% 71882 2835.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 47.589% 45.60% 01.99% 65008 2835.00 { KK+, 88, 33, AQs+, AcJc, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, KdQd, KdJd, KdTd, QdJd, QdTd, AKo }
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