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01-09-2016 , 07:37 PM
Game: Live 1/2
Hand: 99sh
Position: BB
Stack: 170$
V1: (BTN, covers), loose weak Asian 50yo, very aggressive, he bets a lot in late position, and pretty big opening amounts.
V2: (UTG, 80$), good thinking player, 50yo, short stack so he’s not doing anything flashy right now, just ABC TAG.
V3: (MP, covers), 60yo fish, way too aggressive when shown weakness, plays any two cards, bets any pair or any draw, always c-bets.

Preflop Action: V2 straddle, V3 calls, MP2 calls, V1 raises to 14$, I call, V2 calls, V3 calls. (60$)
Flop: 234cdc
Action: I bet 30$, V2 shoves 76$, V3 tank calls, V1 folds, I ??

Whats my move? I am closing the action, my stack is 125$ effective, I have 46$ to call into a pot of 240$.

And how about the preflop flat call and the donk bet on the flop?
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01-09-2016 , 09:26 PM
You play 2/5. Why are you in this game for anything less than 100 BB?

Shove. It's not the best spot in the world but what are you gonna do? Decent overpair, SPR of <3, straight and flush draws on the board. Punch your ticket on the variance train and move it along.
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01-09-2016 , 11:47 PM
Snap call. He's shoving with a wide range on a short stack while he still has decent FE. If he wins uncontested, he'll be at $136 - 40%ish increase.

He's pulling a move. Easy call with the odds and pot equity.
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01-10-2016 , 12:51 AM
Pre is fine. You should really have a deeper stack if you want to set mine more profitably. I hate the donk bet. The board is super textured multiway and you only bet 1/2 the pot. Most Ax, 5x, and club draws will at least call. I'd rather check and plan to c/r shove if someone makes a stab at it or just fold if people start going crazy.

As played, I'd probably shove. V2 could have anything, so I'm not worried. I'm guessing based on your read, V3 could have a draw or worse pp of some kind. This isn't a great situation, but given your short stack you really don't have a choice. Perhaps you have a little FE against V3, but not much.
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01-10-2016 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
You play 2/5. Why are you in this game for anything less than 100 BB?

Shove. It's not the best spot in the world but what are you gonna do? Decent overpair, SPR of <3, straight and flush draws on the board. Punch your ticket on the variance train and move it along.
If I go bellow 75 BI I would rebuy, but I won't go crazy rebuying anytime I lose a pot.. And yes I think a shove is the best play.
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01-10-2016 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hardball47
Snap call. He's shoving with a wide range on a short stack while he still has decent FE. If he wins uncontested, he'll be at $136 - 40%ish increase.

He's pulling a move. Easy call with the odds and pot equity.
You're right, but what about shoving? I don't think V3 has much more than a draw here..
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01-10-2016 , 03:46 PM
[QUOTE=Nice_Guy_Eddie;49062638]Pre is fine. You should really have a deeper stack if you want to set mine more profitably. I hate the donk bet. The board is super textured multiway and you only bet 1/2 the pot. Most Ax, 5x, and club draws will at least call. I'd rather check and plan to c/r shove if someone makes a stab at it or just fold if people start going crazy. QUOTE]

Yeah you're probably right, the reason I did that was to avoid the hand being checked around, now when an overcard, a 5, 6, or an 3rd flush card falls on the turn my hand is probably not good anymore against 3 opponent...there are 31/47 scare cards, also if my hand is good on the turn, I'm less likely to get paid when one of the scare card falls.
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01-10-2016 , 03:53 PM
Call or shove are both fine. Call, and you're shoving any turn. Shove now, you expect to be called, and ride the variance train.

UTG is described as thinking player, ABC TaG. Yet he straddles, basically turning his hand into 20bb effective. Gotta figure that once he straddles and calls the preflop raise from the button, he's getting it in on most flops. So when he shoves over your donk bet, it doesn't give a lot of info.

I don't know if your description of this player makes sense. ABC TAGs don't straddle and def not so short stacked.

Button raised preflop and now tank calls. Not sure what hands he can have that where H is currently ahead except maybe Broadway clubs. I guess there's a chance he has 66-88, but that's slim and not sure what UtG has.

I think calling preflop made the hand play more difficult than necessary and I'm not sure why you don't ship. With $125 effective, and the straddle on, you're basically 40bb. You have FE, and can pick up about $30 uncontested. I like shoving 99 here with $125 effective and these conditions.
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01-10-2016 , 04:29 PM
I know it's a weird description lol, but I don't know the guy that much, I've never seen him play that short thought...

And I had 170$ effective preflop! 125 effective is OTF after I had called the 14$ preflop and bet 30$ OTF.
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01-10-2016 , 04:40 PM
I think with the extra dead money in there pre and being OOP I'm going to 3bet to 55 with the intention of shoving good flops.

As played, I think it's an easy shove on the flop. You should be way ahead of both ranges. Good chance one or both have a draw or pr+draw type hand and I think they'll have some pocket pairs that you're crushing. I think the only real chance you're ever behind here is if someone flopped a set or A5. That being said I don't think we're deep enough to not just stuff it in there.
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01-11-2016 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by CamNewton3
You're right, but what about shoving? I don't think V3 has much more than a draw here..
I misread. I thought you were closing the action OTF.

In that case ship it.
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