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07-09-2018 , 10:24 AM
hello everyone ,I am a new here and this is my first post, thanks in advance for any reply , I will appreciate it a lot.
here is the hand:
2/5 live game, hero is UTG+1,1800 chips, pocket 88 , UTG open 20, hero call,btn call,bb call, 4 players,pot 80,

flop 6s 8h Tc, UTG check, hero bet 50, BTN asked how much I have left and then raised to 166(he covers me),hero call,heads up,pot 410;

turn 3s,hero check,BTN bet 288,hero call,pot 990;

river Qs, hero bet 300,BTN snap shove.what would you guys think about this hand, is there any better line?
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07-09-2018 , 04:56 PM
Hello, Jesse!
First of all, I think it's good to give some informations about the villain: is he aggro? Is he tight? Has he played a lot of hands on the table? Has he tri-barrel'ed light much? Is he capable of flat TT in a 4-way pot? Have you seem any of his showdowns where he flatted a big pair pre flop? Is he capable of call pre flop with 97off?
Some informations about how the villain sees you is also important. Does he think you fold a lot when you are forced? Any information is valueble.

My thoughts on the hand:

You have too much value, wich makes me think it's not interesting to lead on the river. Since villain was representing a set of T; a pair of J that decided to flat pre flop or essencially 97 for the straight (and now that the board connects a backdoor flushdraw), when you lead, you are losing the value of your set, because you are representing a straight or runner runner flush (when you actually have a good hand aswell).
I would say that a better line for the hand (wich I think was perfect untill the river) would be to check/call on the river. Maybe even call a shove. I think this line is better because when villain bets on the river, you are against his ENTIRE RANGE (bluffs and values). Also, when you lead river, if he is bluffing with air, he will just fold and you won't be able to profit out of your set.

I would like to see other comments about this hand. Maybe something about hero re-raising on the flop...
I would also aprecciate comments about my comment itself. Would anyone go thought a much diferent line?

Peace.
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07-09-2018 , 05:57 PM
I'd raise turn to $700-800
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07-09-2018 , 11:56 PM
Raise flop to GII OTT.

AP, are you leading river because you are afraid he will check back hands you beat? If that's the case, then why not raise flop or turn? If this guy is aggro, then river completes some bluffs that he was barreling with (eg 5s7s, Js9s, J9o), so I don't get the river move.
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07-10-2018 , 11:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by setintostraight
I'd raise turn to $700-800
This. If he has 75, 9,7 or TT, then reload. You simply cannot fold middle set on this board.
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08-01-2018 , 12:04 AM
Purely from a GTO point of view.

1) are there any hands in ur preflop calling range that you will lead and bet as bluff at flop in a multiway pot?

2) if yes, then bet your sets in the flop.

3) if no, then u check your entire range with the following options:

A) prepare to check raise your value hands as well as ur bluffing hands.

B) check call ranges that may have SDV on the flop.

It’s as easy as that when u face with difficult decisions.
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08-01-2018 , 03:21 AM
^In before: BUT IT's LLSNL, GTO DOESNT WORK HERE!!!1!?!!!
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Quality post tho.


Flop and turn look good. Raising turn doesn't really achieve much since we are gonna stack 97/TT/66 almost always anyway, we heavily block T8 and 86 and if he's bluffing or overplaying Tx he's mostly gonna fold to a raise.

As played check/call river, check/shove boardpairing rivers.
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08-01-2018 , 05:27 AM
I check the flop like every time. I check raise this hand and would ideally do the same with hands like T9s and T9h or 89c/s.
As played i check call the river.
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