First you say we can get it in over 2 streets.



Then you say V had a draw which does not lend itself to get it in over 2 more streets unless he gets there


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Maybe you are reading it wrong. V is not the tank folder


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Try again Gramps...

The main V, V2, smoothie called.

V3 tank folded.

If we call, pot is $470, with 850 to go.

We can give V2 a second to let the flop action clear his mind, and lead all turns for $350 or so, leaving a 2/3 side psb left.

You got the sb short stack who jammed flop, main v smooth calls, next guy tank folds, and me. 3 people in the hand total

Lol no


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JFC... I've had too many Mai Tai's tonight for this...


V1 is the SB.

V2 is smoothie

V3 is Frank the tank-folder

V4 is Slim doing a poor job with them reading and comprehend skilz

Jfc Are you smoking pot with Homer? You are the only one ****ed up in this. MAIN VILLAIN is the one he is concerned with and 500bb effective. He CALLED him MAIN VILLAIN


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Hmm... So the guy who will see the River 100% of the time is not v1?

And you think I'm the one doing drugs?

Call him whatever the **** you want. I simply don't care at this point.



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Build a pot now. $325. Main v will over value TP or an overpair so I don't wanna have a scare card come off and kill any action.

This is one of those spots where DGIHarris would be like all, "go prison rape him", bet, raise, shove, etc.

And all us pups would be like, "wow, that is amazing poker strat."

Lapi, a large part of V's range here is draws and we get no value from them on rivers, so if we want two streets of value from all of that part of his range, we must get it on flop and turn

I disagree.

Also, some of those times he does have draws, he'll catch up a bit with out hitting.

And it seems V3 is blocking some of the draws too.

Wait...What?

Nobody is suggesting going HAM here, we could make it 280-300. Draws, Jx or a weirdly played overpair aren't gonna fold for that price.

If we're giving op the benefit of the doubt, and his description of V2 is accurate...

Welp, how do we expect him to play 1p+ when facing a x/r as played?

V2 range is capped due to pre flop action.

what do you disagree with? that he has mainly draws in his range, or that he won't pay off draws on the river?

I mean, other than AJ and KJ, what does he have apart from 44, flush draws and combo draws? seems like pretty much his entire range apart from PPs between J and 7 will call a decent sized raise on the flop.

One other thing to ask... does this villain know that he shouldn’t call with a hand like NFD or KQcc if we ship? Like a lot of villains completely don’t understand the math, and they think they’re always a favorite with a hand like NFD if we go all in... That’s another reason I suggest shipping here. I’ve seen people call off stacks with draws getting a bad price way too many times to count.

you could talk yourself into a small raise to 300 ish if you thought it might induce the shove from him, but I'm keeping it nice and simple and betting $390 or 400 to set up a turn shove

Deep enough to play turns like an end boss IP by flatting/staying wide - we have just so many hands here that want to flat too. Actually playing your range differently bc of the side pot is for chumps when there’s this much money in play behind - It’s always the scn when you iso the all in this deep anyway. I mean sure, you can convince yourself that you have some gutters and combo draws to balance out the value, but when faced with having to call off 300bb w 9high after raising, suddenly calling becomes the real-life choice by many.

By just calling, you are allowing your opponent to more or less stack you every time he makes his hand (barring the times you will boat up on the river), and get away for cheap when he doesn't.

What are you going to do if the river is a club or a non-club 3, 5, 6, 8, 9 or T? All of those cards potentially complete his draws. What happens if an offsuit 3 or T falls and he checks it to you? Do you bet? Do you fold to a checkraise? What happens if a club falls? Do you bet? Do you fold to a checkreaise? What happens if these cards fall and he donks something along the lines of 200-250 on the turn? Do you call? In that case, do you call a river shove on unpaired boards? What if he donks just 150? Do you call and do you call a river push?

You say that you are pretty sure of Villian being on a draw - the big problem is that more than half the deck completes a plausible draw on the turn. It is not like he could never have T8 or 86 in this spot.

So raise, just raise it.

Ava's point about avoiding the dry side pot is very well taken, will definitely be raising in these spots from now on

I suggest you run the pot odds, implied odds considering at this decision point we have a 2:1 stacks to pot ration, and then consider what Hero's equity is vs. the combined ranges of V1 and V2.

Then you can answer all of your questions here.

main v is out of position. There'll be no check/raise.

I expect him to fold sometimes to a flop raise, call sometimes, spazz sometimes.

This deep, it's easier to get all the money in over flop & turn rather than three streets where several cards can kill action.

I'd go $390 on the flop and then jam $610 into $970 on the turn. We basically have the nuts here, since villain should always 3bet JJ+, and we want to get more value off TPGK, FD's and bottom set.