Just transferred to table, this was my second hand here. Was told about a whale at the table who was already 3k in the hole and she said she wasn't going anywhere. Rest of the table was soft and the table just finished a 6 way all in with Q4o taking it.

Hero is dealt KQ UTG+1

Villain (No reads besides he's talking to a very good 5/10 player and they seem to be friends so I can assume he's somewhat knowledgeable of the game) UTG opens for 35. Hero calls, UTG +2 calls, CO calls. Effective stack is 500

Flop ($140): AK7

Villain bets 125, Hero calls, everyone else folds.

Turn ($370): 4

Villain bets 150 (has about 200 behind), hero calls.

River ($670): 2

Villain jams for 200. Hero?

Do we just get it in on the flop or turn? I figured we had no fold equity so why not just call and if we hit were getting it in anyways. Once we get to the river and it bricks can we ever fold for this price? After calling him down to this point he can't expect we would fold to a small river shove?

Personally I would just raise/jam the flop 100bb deep,
We have good equity vs the world, we are like 30%+ vs aa, its deffinatley the most eV way to play this hand and 100bb I can take the hit....
If we were 200bb deep I would like the calling line moreso, buy we arnt, so it don't matter

Was this game raked for $20? (Flop pot $140 + $125 x 2 = $390, but you say Turn pot is $370)

Fold pre in UTG+1.

If we had any fold equity, we could shove the flop. We don't, though, and only our flush outs are clean. All the options suck, which is why we should have folded pre. (Did we come to this table full of fish to chase flush draws against the only decent player, when he's opening from UTG?)

To make the flop call immediately profitable, we need to get another $235+ on the turn from V if we hit on the turn (and that's not even accounting for his full house redraw). I guess we have no choice but to hope for the best, at this point.

Turn is an obvious call.

River... lol fold.

I'd fold this to UTG raise from an unknown. It might be slightly profitable; it might be very unprofitable. Until I have some info on V, I don't want to play speculative hands in bad relative position (right after PFR). Also, any RR from behind, even if unlikely, forces us to fold.

I'm giving an unknown a PFR range of roughly TT+, AJ+, KQ, with a healthy fudge factor to account for widely varying V's.

Against that range, we have about 40% equity OTF. We're way behind some of it (AA, KK, AK), way ahead of some of it QQ-, and slightly behind the rest (AJ, AQ).

I thought about jamming the flop, and that's certainly positive EV. But I think we can use position to do better.

V's cbet into 3 people tends to indicate strength. It's not usually a good idea to bluff OOP into 3 people, especially with a draw available, even with a strong range. I'm going to start discounting smaller PP and the fudge factor somewhat.


Furhermore, we can call the flop bet (even if only for the flush draw) and see what the people behind us do and what V does on the turn. If V's behind us raise or even call, we can start looking for the exit. If they fold and he checks, we're very happy. And if they fold and he bets we can review and make a plan for the hand.

OTT, good news! We're heads up. Bad news, V bet again. This could be a another barrel, or it could be for value. I'm starting to think it's more for value, so further discounting PP and fudge factor. But we have the NFD and the bet is LOL small (barely more than the flop bet). I like the call.

Then V jams the third barrel. V might well do this with AQ or AJ, expecting to have previously seen a raise if we had AK or better. He would obviously also do it with AK or better. He might be doing it with the small pair.

However, if so, he's trying to fold out a very small portion of our range: particularly a K. What K's do we have here that called the PFR and two streets? KQ? Would we still be here without the NFD? KJ? Smaller PP? Really the only K we can have in our hand are ones with the NFD and there are only a few of those. It really doesn't make sense to launch a third barrel to fold those out.

We're not going to fold an A to this bet after having called this far, so he's not likely trying to get those to fold. We're obviously not folding 2P+. We should already have folded anything worse than TP or maybe a K without a flush draw.

So I think the river is for value with a hand better than ours. Even with LOL pot odds I fold.

All of that said, we are getting LOL pot odds, so calling can't be that bad. But I think we're getting shown a winning hand 90+% of the time here.

I dunno, calling is still pretty bad if we're _never_ good. It doesn't matter what the pot odds are then, we lose $200 100% of the time. And I think it's pretty close to that; if V wants to bluff here he absolutely has to shove the turn. I guess there is still a nonzero chance that he's just that terrible, but nowhere near worth calling I don't think.

Fold to 7x utg, smash flop

I love smashing flops like this as much as anyone, but I don't see how it can be correct when a) V folds close to 0% o the time and b) our K & Q outs are probably worthless.

I think the least worst outcome for the hand is exactly what happened, getting to save $200 OTR when we miss our flush and GII when we do.

Vs UTG open, I'd only call this hand in LP with at least 1 other limper. We need IO to make this work.

No way I'm raising flop or turn. Easy river fold, if he turns over pocket 3's I'd laugh and congratulate him, give him a fist bump for a hand "well played".

After 7x UTG open with 100 bbs effective, have to fold this no matter how nice the cards look.

As played - ez fold. I think the turn sizing is very weak since V has < PSB left, yet he leads for < 1/2 PSB. If anything, jam turn with some fold equity vs. bottom end of his range (e.g. AQ-/KQ).

Fold pre.

Hero came to the table to play against the whale. Hero didn't come to the table to play KQs against a 7x UTG raise, from a likely competent player.