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Old 03-11-2014, 03:46 PM   #1
Raeed561
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mid pair on semi wet board

1/2 nl

i have AQo

me-SB $180-new table im playing pretty tight played one hand earlier where i had nothing and bet out on the river n took it down, also in another hand i value betted a fish with AK for 3 streets. on a A high rainbow board.

v1-$100-played with me earlier in the day and saw me bluff away 4 75bb buy ins. he was running pretty good when i was playing with him he wasnt doing anything spectacular he usually has a hand when he bets but will peal one off.

v2-$200-just sat to the table hes a nicely dressed black guy hes wearing beats headphones. about late 20s mid 30s looking.

i post my sb random player makes it 6 v1,v2 both call and few others call i reraise to 15 and get called by vs.

pots 60ish
not
flop KQ4
i lead out for 30 v1 calls than v2 ships hero???


Hand 2
effective stack are $90

v- same villain i had AK with and won a pot over, he is a bad player hes not calling rivers with bs but hes losing alot of money pealing off flops

im on the btn

i raise to 10 preflop with AKo and its folds around to v who calls.

pots 22

flop KdQd7s

he checks i bet 15 he calls

pot-52
turn is 9h
he checks i bet $30 he calls

pot-112
river is a 2c
he checks i push for 35 he calls

did i play this wrong i ended up losing

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Old 03-11-2014, 03:57 PM   #2
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First hand, need opponents stack sizes and suits of flop cards
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Old 03-12-2014, 05:10 PM   #3
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Re: mid pair on semi wet board

Hand 2- Bet Bigger on Every Street

Open pre-flop bigger. Start at $12.

Flop- Bet Bigger. $20.

Turn- $40

River- Easy Call/ Shove.

Though you lost, you played the hand overall in the standard way, with the exception of having poor bet sizing. Once you start to build a pot pre-flop, you should have a plan as to how the money is/ or isn't going to get into the pot, which takes into consideration stack size, position, player type and history, your imagine, the range of hands he can have and finally, your hand.
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Old 03-12-2014, 06:16 PM   #4
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Re: mid pair on semi wet board

Hand 1: 3-betting to $30 and flat calling are both better than 3-betting to $15. $15 isn't likely to thin the field at all, and often leaves you playing a bloated pot multiway OOP. As played, easy fold.

Hand 2: pre is good assuming there were no limpers. With these (shallow) stack sizes, ibet flop $20 and stick the rest in on the turn.
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Old 03-12-2014, 08:44 PM   #5
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Re: mid pair on semi wet board

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1/2 nl

i have AQo

me-SB $180-new table im playing pretty tight played one hand earlier where i had nothing and bet out on the river n took it down, also in another hand i value betted a fish with AK for 3 streets. on a A high rainbow board.

v1-$100-played with me earlier in the day and saw me bluff away 4 75bb buy ins. he was running pretty good when i was playing with him he wasnt doing anything spectacular he usually has a hand when he bets but will peal one off.

v2-$200-just sat to the table hes a nicely dressed black guy hes wearing beats headphones. about late 20s mid 30s looking.

i post my sb random player makes it 6 v1,v2 both call and few others call i reraise to 15 and get called by vs.

pots 60ish
not
flop KQ4
i lead out for 30 v1 calls than v2 ships hero???
....
Your 3-bet pre is way way wayyyy too small, you give odds for everything to call you.

I'd rather you just flat than 3-bet $15. Your 3-bet should be around $40 and you should be happy just taking it down and folding out everyone. If called, you got to ask yourself, "What are they calling me with?" Calling ranges are going to be AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ, and 22-JJ along with a few scattered SCs that put you on AK and are just trying to get lucky.

As played, leading out $30 is meh and once it gets shipped on you easy fold.

But back to the 3-bet. 3-bet bigger and when you see the K high flop, you can actually c/f because at this level, players are never turning JJ into a bluff. You can check flop and if flop checks through you can then bet turn for value. If you do bet flop you can bet/fold flop all day every day.

Lastly, stack sizes are needed to determine best lines



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Hand 2
effective stack are $90

v- same villain i had AK with and won a pot over, he is a bad player hes not calling rivers with bs but hes losing alot of money pealing off flops

im on the btn

i raise to 10 preflop with AKo and its folds around to v who calls.

pots 22

flop KdQd7s

he checks i bet 15 he calls

pot-52
turn is 9h
he checks i bet $30 he calls

pot-112
river is a 2c
he checks i push for 35 he calls

did i play this wrong i ended up losing
PLease don't think in terms of winning and losing. That is how recreational players think. They believe that if you win a hand then no matter what you played it correctly and conversely if you lose a hand then you must have somehow played it incorrectly.

That is called "results oriented poker" and is how rec-fish see and play the game...

thinking players think in terms of Long term +EV (positive expectation). We make the plays that win the most money over the long run and we don't care about the specific hand in question. (Google SKlansky bucks and positive expected value...)

The questions you need to ask yourself here are:
--Given my betting, could V have called me down with a lesser hand?
--What was V's range?
--How did my bet impact his range?
--What was my equity against his range?

in general, we want to make bets that lesser hands can call. In this case, V could have called you down with KJ, KT, and maybe even AQ

unfortunately, he could also have had KQ, K9, JT which beat you.

We could include flush draws in his range but a busted flush draw is NOT going to call you on the river

add up all the potential ranges... if you beat more of the hands that he can call down with, then your betting is more or less fine. (to accurately determine the EV you have to do an EV calculation which is something you need to look in to). If the ranges of hands you beat is roughly equal to the ranges of hands that beat you, then your line of betting 1/2 pot each street is more or less okay...

so you have some homework to do.

Google: ranges, equity, equity calculator, Expected value, expected value calculations, and Sklansky bucks

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