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The following hand is from a 1-3 game.

Hero has 88cd in BB (500)

UTG plus 2 limps (60yr LP male) (425)
MP limps (60yr LP male) (600)
Button limps (40yr LP female) (100)
SB calls
Hero raises to 20
UTG plus 2 calls
MP calls
SB folds
Button calls

4 way to flop (83)

Flop: 34Jscd

Hero bets 40
UTG plus 2 calls
MP folds
Button folds

Turn: 8h

Hero bets 120
UTG tank folds and shows KKcs


A couple questions on this hand, disregarding the fact that this guy played KK the way he did.

What is your raising range out of the BB (or SB) in a pot with 3+ limpers?

When you get multiple callers, there are very few boards you can even C bet.. I believe this to be one of them. I wouldn't even C bet an Ace high board because it leaves you no double barrel cards.

I figure this guy usually has 10J-KJ, 33, or 44. Do I continue on the turn with any 8,Q,K, or A and should my bet sizing be a little smaller on the turn?

I don't mind the raise out of the blinds, but I'd want it to go two or three players, four is a bit much. Easy to play, though.

Good flop for you, but the J easily could hit someone. I would probably c-bet, too. $40 was OK.

The turn is such a bingo card, I'd go smaller to try to keep him in. $120 is a big bet in a 1/3 game, especially against LP players. Bet $80 next time.

That said, if these guys are playing KK this way, you should be able to do well against them!

I'm not a fan of the preflop raise, although I'm probably raising TT here, so it's probably close. After 4 limps it's doubtful we're going to narrow the field with a raise, plus we're going to really hate most flops, especially OOP. I would typically just see a flop here. I'm typically against small juicer raises, but a small one to $10 might not be too bad (assuming none of these guys is playing back at those) as we can more easily get these larger stacks in if we cooler someone, although against passive players there are still enough JJ-99 being limped that we can easily cooler ourselves.

On this fairly drawless board I think I would also donk as there is a chance our hand is still best (but it is very vulnerable, so we don't want to give the world a free card to catch up). I would probably go no more than $30; this crowd is pretty much only continuing with better hands (or perhaps something like 77/etc. that probably won't play back too much at us on later streets) so let's do this for as cheap as possible. This isn't really a bet for value, it's more just for protection, so it doesn't need to be too large.

Yahtzee on the turn, nice. I like our bet sizing as it is $120 into $160 which will leave us with a very reasonable shove of $245 into $400.

Really shocked at Villain's play. Typically EP limps KK to limp/reraise, which is what I would have done; flatting to create a multiway pot with little room to move is pretty bad, imo. As played, I probably would have gone into calldown mode if I was him, although it's getting dicey as I don't beat AA/JJ and is TT really betting again here, so I like beat QQ and rare double barrels (which is rare at this limit); ha, I guess he outplayed everyone on the turn.

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Yeah, this is right on the line for me raising preflop. I wouldn't do it w/ 77- and at an aggressive table I am checking 99 out of the BB most of the time..

I bet $120 because like gobbledygeek said I was trying to size it right for a shove on the river. The way he played it, most of the time he probably has a jack or a set. I like decreasing my bet size a bit on the turn, just to keep these hands in. A set is raising the turn anyway..

I appreciate the feedback on this one guys thanks!

Yeah, it's right on the raising line for me too, but in this game I probably suck it up and raise ATC (okay, that's a bit sarcastic), but seriously, just space your raises out to 40-50%, cbet 100% and double barrel pretty close to that and print money.

the lesson is to pretend you had a hand like T9ss and realize that if you bomb the turn at those stakes, some players will even fold KK, lol.

The key to V's fold OTT, is that there is no flush draw. So, unless you are firing with a pair of Js or 65s, he's crushed.

Many players turn to look at their V just as the card [or flop] is being exposed. My bet is that you lit up like a Christmas tree OTT.