Hero3100) QQ
V11600)

2/5 NLHE 1k max BI

UTG opens for 25, Hero raises to 75, V1 calls in BB, UTG calls.

Flop225) T82

Checks to hero who bets 140, V1 raises 350,UTG folds, hero!???

I will post in detail (my logic) on why I thought this was incredibly difficult spot but as not to skew opinions I'd like to hear some thoughts first! Soooo ready set go!

I'd preserve my position/pot control with a check back on the flop.

Hate that small re-raise, I'm a little worried about TT/88 since he cold called out of the BB.

I'm folding and not thinking much about it, this isn't what I wanted to see w/ my QQ.

any reads on V?

This would help a ton.

The sad thing is, we could be way behind and nothing will help us -- or we'll never know. If a Q or club comes and they keep firing, we are toast -- unless river is a miracle card.

Easy call getting 3.5:1 pot odds and 3:1 hand odds to improve, plus the benefit of position. We are not pot committed by calling here.

Not really, MAWG seems pretty reg, and by that I mean seems comfortable at table, has deep stack, cuts chips well and has general mannerisms of a reg. I tanked for quite awhile and he seemed pretty comfortable/confident, but to be honest I was in the tank going over the hand more then reading his posture.

I can tell you that are game is pretty aggressive and I don't think this hand is getting checked back 2 streets if I call no matter what the run-out. I just can't find a turn card/scenario where this goes well for me....and I can't find anything less than a semi-bluff in a 3! hand. Even if he has ATx, which is about the bottom of his range were in a flip. The only hand I beat here is JJx and I don't think he's min-raise bluffing pots that got put up to 75pre like ever....

What's our plan? We're possibly getting 3:1 to draw dead?

Yep. This is what worries me. I think I just let it go.

Given you provided no reads whatsoever I'm going to assess the turn action and make a live read.

Is this a mandatory C-bet being 200 BB deep 3 ways on this flop? Are we interested in building this pot so big that it becomes hard to control on further streets? (Wich is exactly what happens here).

I am just thinking out loud. As played i am folding pretty easily on the flop unless villain is loose and raises too much postflop. I dont like the way this hand is going, wich is why i want to fold the flop. That way we avoid making more costly errors on later streets and being sucked into a potenial stackoff spot on the turn 200 BB deep with an overpair against a likely very nutted range.

Probably just folding now since people don't bluff enough in these spots in general. You're basically drawing to the Ac to feel good about your hand, but that doesn't mean you make any extra money from it in the long run. I mean, if the turn is Qh and V bombs like $750, how do you feel? You likely had the best hand pre, but you saw an unpleasant flop and meaningful action. It's okay to fold imo.

This is a good question.

i can see arguments for both calling and folding. given that you said the game is aggressive, i'm leaning towards a call and evaluate ott. TT and 88 are in his preflop coldcalling range given that you guys are super deep, so a club ott might slow him down.

V called a 3bet from BB then check/raised an all-club flop to pre-flop 3bettor w/ another player still in the hand? Seriously, I'm gone.

JFC this place is MUBs City. Let's do what we are supposed to do: come up with a range for villain instead of just handing him one combo of AK

Villain has all 18 combos of sets in his range which should make up the majority of his cold call from the BB range. He is unlikely to be calling with hands like AJ, AT, etc. but this is where OP should have provided some relevant info and previous HH's. Does he lead sets or does he check/raise? What hands has he previously check/raised and what was the sizing like?

Why would V be raising the nuts with UTG still in the hand? Knowing UTG's stack size is extremely relevant but once again the necessary info is lacking.

In addition to our likely 12 outs to give us the best hand we also have 6 additional outs to a backdoor straight draw.

If your first thought is to just blindly fold here without at least analyzing the situation then just quit poker.

Bet/fold looks good here.

What are your reads on V1 who cold called your 3-bet in the BB does he have a x-raise bluffing range in this spot and would he ever bluff in this spot given factors such as hero's range, 3-bet pot, MW etc...

What's UTG stack size?

I did analyze it, and I still fold.

We are barely ahead of a AxKc or KcQx and way behind a made flush or set.

yeah, folding seems close to impossible without more reads/info on villain -not clear how many hands he plays pre-flop or anything

this is not exactly the most frequent line from made flushes/sets, but give villain qj /j9 (1 club only) and it looks great, same with pair + and maybe even some hands that are pure bluffs depending on how well known hero's tendencies are

if villain barrels again on a blank turn i'd lean towards shipping it

He should raise a flush here if it's not the nuts. Also, what do you think he calls a 3bet from the blinds with that he check/raises this flop? H is not his only opponent.

We are flipping with AcKx.

And the problem with flipping with 100 BB's dead money overlay is...?

Villain should never have a flush here given the action. The most likely hands are sets, AKx, AxK, and some semi-bluffs like JJx and 99x since our range is so face up.

If villain is bad he'll have some SC clubs but that seems unlikely to me.

So, if we are most likely flipping or ahead, why not raise?

I'm not a fan of betting the flop. V1 cold calls from the BB, out of position on an UTG raiser and a 3bettor. I would put him on a very strong range even with no reads. I'm happy to check back the flop for a free shot to hit a club or Q, and see how both BB and UTG act on the turn.

As played, you have to assume you're against AcKx/AA/KK, maybe TT but unlikely. Right now, hero has about 25% equity. You have two Q's as outs and can only count 3/9 club outs since you lose to a better flush against most of villain's range. You're being offer 3.5:1 odds. Not good enough with only 5-6 outs to hit on the turn. You don't have the odds to call one street since villain almost never slows down on the turn. I'd fold.

Who said we are ahead? We are behind 18 combos of sets, ahead of 12 combos of AK with one club, and ahead or behind an indeterminate number of baby flushes or pairs + club.

We are getting 3.4:1 pot odds on our call so we need 22.7% equity. If we are currently behind, we have 11 outs to improve to the best hand OTT which gives us the required 23%. 6 backdoor straight draw outs are probably worth another 1-2%.

There is still $1175 remaining in effective stacks if we call with a pot of $925. We are in position and villain's turn action should give us plenty of new information to make an informed decision.

Folding the flop would literally never cross my mind. This is a fairly straightforward multi-street poker hand which is par the course when playing deep stacked.

i think i check the flop