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Maximizing value w/ turned full house Maximizing value w/ turned full house

01-14-2019 , 01:21 PM
I was recently playing in a nine handed live 1/2 game. Hero is utg with pocket tens and makes it $10 to go (somewhat standard opening raise in this game). CO (seems like a fairly tight player) 3b to $30. We’re about 150 BB’s effective and I elect to call.

Flop - K44 rainbow. Hero c/c a half pot size bet from the villain.

Turn - 10 (still no flush draws) Hero checks and villain leads out for $50 into $130 pot. Hero makes it $115 with about $115 behind and villain calls.

River - 2. Hero jams and villain folds AA face up.

When villain calls c/r on the turn his range seems fairly polarized to all AA, AK, & KK combos. I’m unsure how I could have extracted maximal value from this hand. After thinking about this hand in depth, I think there were two options. Either c/c turn and c/r river in hopes that villain goes for three streets of value. Donk leading the turn was another choice that ran through my head but would love to hear any thoughts and opinions.
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01-14-2019 , 02:04 PM
Villain is a good reg who knows how to fold his overpair at 1/2.

Knowing this, I actually like leading turn here. It doesn't really make a lot of sense and I can't fit it into a deeper strategy involving bluffs or whatnot... but I think it's actually a good line against your typical decent reg at these stakes. It'll confuse them and I think you've got a better chance at getting 3 streets of value as opposed to c/r the turn which looks super strong.
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01-14-2019 , 02:24 PM
It's very hard to get value from an overpair here because you don't have many natural bluffs.

I'd prefer to go with a c/c on the turn because we have no natural bluffs and c/r just screams strength.

If you c/c the turn, then you can donk the river for ~1/2 pot and I think he has a hard time folding AA/AK since you could easily be making a blocker bet with a K.

Last edited by krilleater; 01-14-2019 at 02:30 PM.
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01-14-2019 , 02:42 PM
Exploit-fold the flop. You're drawing to two outs almost always. 1|2 players (especially "tight" ones) don't 3-bet AQ, let alone 3-bet lighter than that.

This is a pretty standard slowplay spot. x/c turn, x/r river. I could get behind an exploitative donking line if villain is a horrible nit who won't bet river with AA.
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01-14-2019 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
Exploit-fold the flop. You're drawing to two outs almost always. 1|2 players (especially "tight" ones) don't 3-bet AQ, let alone 3-bet lighter than that.

This is a pretty standard slowplay spot. x/c turn, x/r river. I could get behind an exploitative donking line if villain is a horrible nit who won't bet river with AA.
The type to fold AA face up for a <1/3 PSB OTR is pretty nitty and could easily decide to x-back the river.

I just fold the flop against someone described as tight. They probably don't 3-bet AQ in the first place and if they do they don't c-bet it here. You're up against AK/KK/AA/QQ/JJ pretty much 100% of the time.
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01-14-2019 , 03:46 PM
Because you checked flop, any aggression you show on Turn/River makes it look like you fopped the nuts (i.e. KK, A4, 4x).

As played, I think you need to x/c Turn and x/r River to maximize value.
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01-14-2019 , 04:37 PM
x/f flop.

As played I would have x/c turn and x/r river.

Just because you have a better hand doesn’t mean you’re going to stack someone. Sometimes board texture just doesn’t allow for it and being OOP only makes it worse.
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01-14-2019 , 05:21 PM
I think the turn xr is fine, seems super results orientated to suggest otherwise. I get calling vs more agressive opponents but this doesnt seem like the type of villain who goes for thin value or has a lot of bluffs.
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01-14-2019 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
I think the turn xr is fine, seems super results orientated to suggest otherwise. I get calling vs more agressive opponents but this doesnt seem like the type of villain who goes for thin value or has a lot of bluffs.
What do we ever arrive at the turn with and decide to x/r except 4x/KK/TT? If there were a flush draw, I'd be a much bigger fan of the x/r, but here it just lets them play perfectly against us?
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01-14-2019 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
I think the turn xr is fine, seems super results orientated to suggest otherwise. I get calling vs more agressive opponents but this doesnt seem like the type of villain who goes for thin value or has a lot of bluffs.
It's not results oriented, just thinking about our own range and how a x/r looks.
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01-14-2019 , 06:56 PM
Against nitty Vs, call turn, donk river, fold to a raise all in.
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01-14-2019 , 07:13 PM
I'd probably crai the turn. I would xc if V seemed inclined to go for 3 streets, but seeing as he's tight I'd probably just represent an overplayed Kx and good luck folding his AK and AA combos. On this dry of a board I don't know how much more you can do, really.
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