3/5--V is a regular who raises fairly wide and c bets almost all flops regardless of texture. V2 is a hyper LAG who raises any two before the flop but won't get super involved post flop without a hand. Hero has a pretty tight image and I typically showdown real hands.

V has about $230
V1 has about $1400
Hero has V1 covered

Hero in SB with AQ
1 call to V1 who raises to $20 2 more calls to me and I call as does the original limper

Flop:

10KJ

I check (comments welcome), the limper checks, V makes it $55, one fold to V2 who makes it $155, hero?

Raising does both things here

If V2 isn't raising post flop without a good hand then reraising is the way to go. Either villain could be drawing to a flush, straight and/or boat. Raising both gets value and protects your hand. V is either shoving or folding no matter what you do, but his stack isn't big enough to reopen betting so you need to raise yourself. Make it around $500 and plan on shoving turn unless board pairs, which case you need to evaluate a bit.

Grunch

I like checking out of the SB since we know V1 c-bets the majority of flops.

with your hand this is no time for taking a passive line ( calling the raise )

*Maximize Value Now*

raise it up and even if a heart falls on the turn giving villain a flush you still have a redraw


Just An Average White Player:

It sounds like you refer to V1 as V2 which is confusing. I'm assuming the villain who raised flop is the big stack and the PFR.

Reraise flop. You block the nut FD but there are too many scare cards, you're OOP, and you could still get bluffed on a later street. There are 10 flush cards that will kill your hand or your action. There are 9 cards that make a four straight. There are 9 cards that can pair the board.

Sorry typo. V1 is the small stack and pfr. V2 raised on the flop and is the big stack.

450

Pile it in. If V2 is playing somewhat straightforward, he is indicating he has a real hand here. He either has a flush draw, set, straight, or maybe the same hand as you without the backdoor draw.

I raise to whatever amount you believe will convince him to stack off. Somewhere around 500 seems right. If he folds, he was on a bluff and wasn't going to put much more in.

raise relatively small giving villian room to shove his draws over. Also most villians will definitely shove their made hands here. I'd say tank raise 375

Cold calling or raising are both going to indicate a lot of strength, so you might as well raise.

Basically this. And it's made even worse because you're out of position. If you slowplay this, there are going to be many times when one of the following happens:

-V1 calls, turn is a blank, checks to V2 who jams for a small amount, you raise over the top of that, V1 recognizes how strong you are and folds before putting any money in on the turn.
-V1 calls, turn is a scare card that doesn't actually help anybody (like a heart or a 9) and it checks around.

There is no contradiction between maximizing value and protecting your hand. You do both of these things most effectively with a raise.

I would raise to one of two sizes: either 475, and then I'm jamming all turns, or I would verbally declare all-in. I would only do the latter if I thought I could successfully pass off that I forgot V1 was still in the hand. Failing that, 475 on flop/shove turn.

EDIT: Also, no way am I calling preflop in this spot. I'm probably 3betting.

Thx all for the line check. I did in fact tank raise to $500. V1 shoved for a little more with a set of tens. But what prompted this post was V2 amazingly tanked and folded Q9 face up. I'm not sure what else I could have done to get a call/raise. Maybe a smaller raise. Leading the flop would have gotten me a little more from V2 but in hindsight I think I just ran into a player that had a great read.

I would just pot the flop, as played just rr again there are draws and your hand won't get any better. I almost always fastplay straights.

Don't we have the nuts with the nut bdfd?
And blockers to most a lot of combo draws?
Doesn't that mean we should be more likely to raise small as there is a lot less to fear?

Probably like 2/3 pot size 3b as played. I meant we should be betting flop not c/r

this

I usually just pot it in spots like this. Making it on the smaller side doesn't really matter here, if villian has a set/combo draw here then he is just getting it in vs. us no matter what. Hope you held bro...

Lol this post is what I was referring to as "this" haha

Pf should be a 3bet. You likely have the best hand and you want to cull the herd.

Flop is fine.

3 betting AQo from the SB just complicates things here OOP in this spot(when we are deeper with a hyper LAG OOP), no need to inflate the pot pre with a marginal holding here

He's trying to iso V1. His range is weak. 2 pair likely or flush draw, maybe even K9. I smooth then see what the turn brings. He possibly folds if you over bet here

Right. Playing a likely 1 pair hand out of absolute position in a bloated multiway pot is better.

This is a spot were id like to lead into the field specially having the ace of h

Lots of turn cards can kill or slow the action. $450 looking good size to raise and sets up a psb turn shove with bricked turn.

Agree but how much would you raise then?