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Maximizing value from flopped straight Maximizing value from flopped straight

05-15-2014 , 03:50 PM
Hi guys I recently played a hand at a 1/2 NL live table where I flopped a straight and would like some feedback on the best play to maximize value from my holdings.

Stack sizes:
Hero(BB): $200
UTG+1: $150
MP1: $100


5 players limp including the SB and myself in the BB.

The flop comes: 3 4 5 $10 in pot

SB checks. Hero (BB) bets $8. UTG+1 and MP1 call. The SB folds.

The turn brings a K $34 in pot

Hero(BB) bets $25 ....

Now given that UTG+1 and MP1 are loose passive players could you possibly check the turn and hope they improve on the river to where they can call my value bet? I tend to always bet whenever there is a flush draw on the board especially in a multi-way pot and even heads up. It is unlikely that either villain has a backdoor flush draw given the action but it is always a possibility. I would hate to check the turn and lose to a flush on the river knowing that I could have bet the turn myself and prevented that from happening or at least punished them for calling with incorrect pot odds.

Thanks in advance for the feedback guys!
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05-15-2014 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GoGrind
Now given that UTG+1 and MP1 are loose passive players could you possibly check the turn and hope they improve on the river to where they can call my value bet?
No. You have a chance to exploit their primary weakness (calling to much) by betting the turn. I was going to ask which straight you flopped, but it doesn't even matter. Your $25 bet is good, but if you think you can get away with $30 or $35 without it making much of a difference to them, do that.

Checking here makes it almost impossible to stack one of them without them putting a bet/raise in for you. Betting sets you up for a reasonably sized river shove. One or both of them may also have draws that will call a turn bet, but won't put in any money on the river, unless of course they get there.
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05-15-2014 , 04:19 PM
When you are up against 2 loose-passive players, the last thing you want to do is check when you are holding a nuttish hand.

If you think that both villains will fold too often to a turn bet, you are basically saying that you should be bluffing the turn a lot, which we all know is generally a bad strategy against loose-passives.
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05-15-2014 , 05:50 PM
When I flop a monster in a limped pot from the blind on a crappy board, I just blast it all 3 streets.

Its difficult for someone to improve enough to the point where you will felt them if they are playing correctly. If they are not, I want to make sure I can get all the chips by having them make a crying call on the river.

I don't flop monsters often enough to not try to get stacks. I'd rather risk making a few BB less by blowing someone off a hand than play a small pot with the nuts.

I actually have this fairly well balanced with regs. I'll let them see me triple barrel off against non-regs with big draws and i'll only bet/bet/bet when I have the stones into them.
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05-15-2014 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GoGrind
I would hate to check the turn and lose to a flush on the river knowing that I could have bet the turn myself and prevented that from happening or at least punished them for calling with incorrect pot odds.
Congratulations you answered your own question. Just bet.
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05-15-2014 , 11:58 PM
Bet. Dont even consider checking
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05-16-2014 , 03:34 AM
Could actually go a little bigger OTF also. I would try at least ten, but mostly I'd fire 15 at it. Very few opponents are looking at pot size, and 15 is reasonably small. With pot standing at 55 OTT, you can blast it for 40-50. Never folding the river then, even if a spade comes...
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05-16-2014 , 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SunChips
When I flop a monster in a limped pot from the blind on a crappy board, I just blast it all 3 streets.
This!
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05-16-2014 , 10:23 AM
It would be really helpful to know what Hero's hole cards are...
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05-16-2014 , 11:38 AM
What you should learn is how to take a dud's stack when you flop the nuts. Every time you flop a big hand you should think to take somebody's stack. Especially if the pot has been raised coming in. You got to pull a play on him so that he's the one that re-raises you. You can do this "play" at least once or twice per day here in Vegas. And that's the whole strategy you'll ever have to perfect in order to have poker as your source of income.

For example: You flopped the nuts with 67 on a 3,4,5 flop board.(pot=100) The pot was raised coming in and you have position on two opponents. On the flop the preflop raiser bets 50 and gets called by the other dude. They both have 300 remaining and you cover all.
How you clean the remaining stack of at least one of them for sure?

For this you don't need to think about any "ranges", any complicated math, any other poker related tools. Just outplay them for stacks.

Last edited by Octavian; 05-16-2014 at 11:49 AM.
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