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Max value vs. station. Max value vs. station.

02-19-2016 , 01:50 AM
H1

$1-2 7 handed

V is an Asian businessman wearing a suit, only recently started learning poker. Loose/passive station, though I suspect he has bluff raised a few weak river bets, possibly donk bet as a bluff also. Plays a ton of hands. pfr% is zero. Observed overlimping AA,KK OTB after multiple limps infront. Possibly incapable of folding an overpair, two pair plus. (Covers)

UTG is a nitty fish that buys in for the minimum and leaves once he doubles up. Chronic limp/rr'er. ($107)

BB is a nit

Hero is a 30´s regular. TAG. V might be intimidated by me. Has been folding to my iso raises (sigh). ($600)


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UTG limps, 1 or two more limps, V limps in button, hero calls SB 76, BB checks. 6 way

($10) Flop: 459

V bet $20 out of turn, hero and everyone else checks, V´s $20 stands, hero calls, BB fold, UTG shoves $105, folds back to V who calls, hero calls.

($325) Turn: 8

Hero? Plan?

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H2


HH (a few minutes previously). UTG straddles, a limper or two, Hero overcalls 45 OTB, 5 way, flop: 368, abc guy bets $10 into $25, call, hero calls, turn 3, abc guy bets $20 into $55, fold, hero raises to $75, abc guy calls, river Q, abc checks, hero bets $100, abc folds and hero shows his bluff for lolz

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UTG straddles $5, V (from previous hand) (Covers) limps MP, hero ($700) elects to limp A9 LMP, SB folds BB calls ($150), straddle checks. 4 way

($20) Flop: QQ2

BB bets out $7, straddler folds, V calls, hero calls

(~$40) Turn: 4

BB checks, V bets $20, hero raises to $120, folds back to V who calls.

(~$275) River: 3

V checks, hero (around $675 behind)?
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02-19-2016 , 02:09 AM
H1: I like betting $175 OTT in mostly all greens to make it look like a less intimidating bet for villain. If V calls turn than we shove $300 into 650 which is less than a half pot sized bet and villain will feel more committed to make a crying call. Since V seems like a super station like you said he could easily have TT+ and might even still continue with a 9x type hand which the 8 is a good card for him to continue shoveling in money.

H2: I like betting $200 here, I think anything more than pot-sized V can make a hero fold with Qx or a small flush since a bet like that will put most of his stack in danger and most villains even after bluffing them will still fold to such a large bet fearing that their "profit" is at stake.
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02-19-2016 , 02:31 AM
H1: i'd prefer to bet big here, 250ish, before scare cards fall otr. I can't imagine there are hands in his calling range that he is calling 150 with, but not 250.

H2: I think i isoraise villain pre regardless, although A9s is probably the bottom of my raising range.
OTR, again, just go big. He's likely to have a flush which is never folding, neither is QX. He also just called a 2xpot bet ott. Pairs like 55-AA are a relatively small part of his range and you say he might not even fold those. Bet $200-250.
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02-19-2016 , 10:29 PM
H1 Anybody like a turn c/shove to get the money in now vs A9, K9, overpairs, T9, 2pair plus, before scare cards come?


H2. Anybody like a shove? I don´t think he can fold a flush. I don´t know about a Queen.

Range for V:

22,44,Q2s-Q4s (12 combos)

KhJh, KhTh, JhTh, Kh8h, Jh8h, Th8h, Kh7h, Jh7h, Th7h, 8h7h, Kh6h, Jh6h, 8h6h, 7h6h, Kh5h, Jh5h, 8h5h, 7h5h, 6h5h, Kh3h, 5h3h (21 combos)

AdQd, AsQs, KdQd, KsQs, QdJd, QsJs, QdTd, QsTs, Qd9d, Qs9s, Qd8d, Qs8s, Qd7d, Qs7s, Qd6d, Qs6s, Qd5d, Qs5s, AdQs, AsQd, AcQd, AcQs, KdQs, KhQd, KhQs, KsQd, KcQd, KcQs, QdJh, QdJs, QdJc, QsJd, QsJh, QsJc, QdTh, QdTs, QdTc, QsTd, QsTh, QsTc, Qd9s, Qd9c, Qs9d, Qs9c (44 combos)
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02-20-2016 , 10:08 AM
Preflop on all three strikes me as pretty terrible.
Edit: #2 is ok.
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02-20-2016 , 03:56 PM
Grunch.


Hand 1:

Description does not support UTG being a fish. Buying in short, playing very tight, and leaving when you double up are textbook shortstack strategies. L/RR sounds like a pretty perfect exploit if table is reasonably aggressive, especially if he's L/RRAI. He might be a fish, but if so he's accidentally playing correctly.

UTG also correctly exploits V's out of turn bet (obviously not an advanced maneuver). OTF, I expect UTG has everyone crushed with a big overpair, maybe a set of 9's. Until I saw something specifically fishy, I'd peg him as actually knowing what he's doing, at least as shortstacker. Since I'm pretty much expecting UTG to gii (that's what a short stack should do), I'm actually folding to the bet. UTG is going to kill my odds and reopen the betting. [Since I'm apparently a human being, it's impossible to fully filter out results-orientation, but I really do believe that's not what's going on here.]

As played, V overbet the flop and then called a raise. He's on the hook. Bet turn 200. Shove river.


Hand 2:
Don't show the bluff unless you rarely bluff (in which case, bluff more). But you knew I was going to say that.

I think A9s generally plays better with a raise here. I'm making it 25 to go.

Not loving the overbet raise OTT; I would have made it 80. I assume you're targeting V specifically with a Q. OTOH, V did call, so what do I know.

OTR, H bets 250 for value. If V called the turn overbet, we should be able to get another nice bet out of him. Right now, we really don't fear 22, 44, or 33 (or lol Q2/3/4), but we should fold to a x/r from V.
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02-20-2016 , 03:58 PM
I'm not in love with a x/r line against a passive station. By definition, he calls too much and bets too little. Let's not plan our line around him betting.
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02-20-2016 , 08:07 PM
H1: bet turn, bet riv. 95-130 both streets. So, I'm never ever ever smashing a dry pot against this guy. I'd only love a ck-r if he were likely to bet huge, but most of what a station has that would do that is at least calling when you bet anyway. I want to capture his entire flop calling range ott and betting large will lose his 23/36 too often. He'll still have plenty of calls otr with non SDs that got to the river this way.

H2:120-190max otr to capture as many calls as possible from Q5+ and all calls from flushes. He has lots of FH combos available, so Instamuck to ck-r which is another reason to avoid size-coolering yourself. In game, you should have a better feel for his Qx threshold, I'd set that at same bet turn.
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02-20-2016 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
H1: bet turn, bet riv. 95-130 both streets. So, I'm never ever ever smashing a dry pot against this guy. I'd only love a ck-r if he were likely to bet huge, but most of what a station has that would do that is at least calling when you bet anyway. I want to capture his entire flop calling range ott and betting large will lose his 23/36 too often. He'll still have plenty of calls otr with non SDs that got to the river this way.
He´s never overbetting with a draw. His range is TP+, probably TPGK+, skewed towards overpairs+.
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