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Make trips, miss the flush, get raised. Make trips, miss the flush, get raised.

04-21-2017 , 04:21 PM
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Hero ($315): Early 30's WG. Seen as nitty/TAG and probably viewed as a little MUBSy by villain. I have folded to his 3 bets twice tonight once when I opened a little light and another time with QQ when V 3! large and got cold-called by the UberNit on his left.

Villain (covers): very competent early 20's Asian LAG who plays 5/10 in the casino as his regular game (no idea if he's a winner there or not). Tends to be a hyper-LAG when he plays this game and has lots of gamble.

Two limps to villain in MP who limps
two more limps, SB completes, we check our option in the BB with 98

Flop ($14) T8A
Checks through

I considered betting here, but I don't think I'm value betting if I do and I'm just building a pot out of position with bottom pair. Obviously, if I hit the flush, great, but I think there are lots of turn cards which I won't be able to bet.

Turn ($14) 8
SB checks, Hero bets $12
Villain calls, SB calls

Standard play with trips and a redraw, yes? SB is another young Asian guy who's super loose.

River ($50) J

Hero bets $35
Villain raises to $90, SB folds

Getting a great price here, but how do we range villain? I have a hard time seeing this as a bluff, even from him. So if it's value, how much of his value range do we beat?
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04-21-2017 , 06:30 PM
With action behind him it'd be tough to get a bluff through given the action. I'm not sure if he raises enough worse hands to warrant a call. I fold this without any other additional read and if I've never seen him bluffraise a river multiway


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04-21-2017 , 08:34 PM
I bet the flop. Win the pot here or build a pot for when we make a hand.
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04-22-2017 , 05:17 AM
Bet the flop, pair and a flush draw will have huge equity against the world, no need to pot control here, start building.
Turn is standard, just wish we had bet the flop now.....
River.....
Realistically tt, aa and JJ all raise pre-flop so we can discount them.
J8, t8 and a8 are all possible but, I think we can discount a fair portion of t8 and a8 as surely they are betting the flop....
Does villan call with q9 or kq for a gunshot on the turn for an almost psb? I doubt that also...
So realistic hands we lose to here are k8,q8,j8,
That is a pretty narrow range to fold against here so I think I call getting 3.5:1 although I get the feeling the gs might have came in....
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04-22-2017 , 03:03 PM
I called pretty quickly. I figure I'm folding a lot to him in other spots and I should t be folding when I make such a strong hand.

Spoiler:
He showed K8o. I was a little sick, as I expected to lose to a gutshot which got there, not a better 8.
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04-22-2017 , 05:45 PM
Easy fold
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04-22-2017 , 08:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redskins 47
Easy fold
This. You clearly rep an 8 and he's raising you three ways. While in some abstract game theory sense it would be correct for him to try to bluff you off a bare eight here sometimes, in the real world it is not happening ever.

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Originally Posted by ronrabbit
Bet the flop, pair and a flush draw will have huge equity against the world, no need to pot control here, start building.
Turn is standard, just wish we had bet the flop now.....
River.....
Realistically tt, aa and JJ all raise pre-flop so we can discount them.
J8, t8 and a8 are all possible but, I think we can discount a fair portion of t8 and a8 as surely they are betting the flop....
Does villan call with q9 or kq for a gunshot on the turn for an almost psb? I doubt that also...
So realistic hands we lose to here are k8,q8,j8,
That is a pretty narrow range to fold against here so I think I call getting 3.5:1 although I get the feeling the gs might have came in....
He can have 97. Also, while small, his value raising range is infinitely larger than his bluff range of { this space intentionally left blank }.
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04-22-2017 , 08:58 PM
Also, clear flop bet. If you get multiple callers, then it was a value bet. If you don't, then it works to set up a bluff on later streets.
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