I'm tired of the following replies across all posts

1. Fold pre (this might be mostly true, but op is definitely not looking for it )

2. Bet more with big hands. Suggesting people to bet pot or even over pot by claiming that if they are calling 50, they are also calling 80. This is sometimes true but not always applicable to all Vs'

3. Don't tripple barrel or even double barrel bluff with nothing

4. Don't go break without nuts in a limped pot. This is a good rule but not always.

5. Suggesting people not go for thin value as V are only calling with better

By doing 2 and 3 at the same time, you have no way to balance your bet.
3 and 5 are contradicting each other because 3 is assuming people are calling light but then 5 is assuming people are not calling light.


I'm kinda sick of the universal suggestions in all posts. I understand that local casino low-stakes many players suck like idiots so that you do not need any balance or level of thinking. But there are definitely good and observant players. The great spirit of poke is making best decision, which makes you better and better.

I am tired of poasts that just make venting statements that do not look for any discussion whatsoever

in b4 lock

great post. if you have played live poker for any significant amount you know that this forum is woefully limited in the advice and strategy that can be used at the table.

this thread will be locked and you will be castegated for going against conventional advice, but all of your points are right. So don't sweat the hate. Just realize that most of the posters are level 1 or 2 thinkers that don't really 'play' poker. They have a limited playbook of 3 or 4 plays against 2 or 3 types of players and don't get into the table flow or tilt factor of most situations.

Meh, most of these are so dependent on being at the table that it's pretty lol to complain about them, except for #1. Probably > 50% of threads people get into stupid situations and have no idea what to do with crappy hands that they post but they should just let go of them pre.

And OP, if you want to bitch about the advice, try giving some. 204 posts in 2 years?? That's like bitching about the president and then telling everyone you didn't vote. Change happens from within, not from onlookers who don't contribute other than to complain

In b4 lock

Those rules are probably an awesome starting point, especially for noobs trying to turn their current losing strategy into a winning (albeit not necessarily crushing) one.

Like any default starting point, there will be times where it will be better to deviate. But better have good reasons though.

GcluelessNLnoobG

This is a good but somewhat weird song, by Robert Plan. I guess we all gotta pay the bills.

Your first complaint can be resolved easily by requiring those who recommend FP to state which circumstances dictate a fold. I.e. "because ..." and "but if ..." are mandatory sub-clauses.

Ooooo...sick burn!

In b4 lock!

It's not a burn or an insult. It's common knowledge that too many people seem to not understand (I guess questioning whether it's common or not...). If someone wants a community to be better, contribute to making it better. That's pretty much 101 for any community anywhere, whether it's the community you live in, a random group you're involved with IRL or a forum online.

Last time I posted "fold pre" was a mp overlimp from middle posn with a low suited 3 gapper wanting to know if shipping several hundred bb behind multiway action on the flop with non nut straight and flush draws was good.

Folding trash pre is a general suggestion to keep people like that out of spots like that.

Can we play marginal hands profitably? Sure. Can we bluff in the right spots? Sure. But these are not the bread and butter of LLSNL.

A blanket post such as this serves no more value than "fold pre" does.

I suggest op articulate his thoughts regarding the exceptions to the above points in the appropriate threads where he feels the particular advice is unwarranted.

Ib4lock

Yeah, so this is going to get locked.
Not because the OP might not have a valid gripe (there is some of this going on in the forum) but because the way that you are going about this is about the nut worst way to take care of the problem.

Instead, post in a hand, discuss a specific example of where people are giving contradictory advice, and then we can go from there.

Spouting off with random examples that have no context and generalizing everything make it mostly impossible to have a reasonable debate about it.

Thanks,
irtm

I agree with the sentiment of "if you don't like that strat people are posting, post better strat yourself."

It goes back to the train analogy. LLSNL is a way station on the poker life and an entry level forum. Our goal is to entertain and educate. We refuel people and help them get better. However ahead is a fork in the track. For most players, we're the final stop before they move on to the rest of the life. For others, there is only so much we can offer. They are going to need to go to the MHFR forum to continue to grow as players. If you find yourself getting frustrated about the level of guidance given in this forum, it is a sign that you may need to move on to the next forum.