made the worst call on a 2/5 live game
Join Date: Oct 2016
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played this hand at a underground 2/5 game, villain is an new player in this game, in the first one and half hours he played pretty solid and got lucky one time.
there was a UTG straddle of $10, 950 effective stack. villain raised MP to 30, fold to me and I raised to 100 with KhKs, fold to him and he tank called
Flop came AdQh4s, he check called my cbet of 135
turn was 9d, he checked I bet 255 and he shoved allin.
i finally made the call and loss to A9o
I actually put him on a Q or a weak Ace after he made the call on the flop. And after he checked the turn I decided to turn my hand to a bluff and push a weak Ace off the hand.
He raised all-in on the turn which really confused me.. i don't think he has many holding that shoved for value. And he probably float me out of position and he put me on a Ace with good kicker. The turned 9c probably gave him more outs... the pot odds was a little more than 3 to 1.
I put him on KdQd or QdXd kind of hands and made the call..
Did I played this hand really bad or I should just check back flop and fold to a bet on the turn?
What's the better plan in such situations?
Thank you!
Join Date: Oct 2016
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i played this hand on the BTN
Join Date: Nov 2010
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You should check this flop 100% of the time with KK. You’ll fold out everything that beats you and won’t fold out any Aces
As played check back then and fold river.
If you check back the flop, I would probably check back the turn. If he bets it’s a judgement call but I would call one street
If you c heck back flop and then turn checks back, call a small bet on the river and if he checks to you then you can make a small bet but fold to a raise
Join Date: Apr 2012
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Flop bet is OK but you need more checks on this flop. Villain is obviously calling wide and a bet has a good chance of taking down the pot. But you are simply losing a lot on this board in a 3 bet pot.
Once villain calls flop you should mostly give up. The turn bluff will work occasionally against weak AX but obviously was futile here once villain hit two pair.
When you do bluff turn and villain comes over the top you need to remember you are bluffing and fold. In a 3 bet pot he isn't floating you OOP very much and he isn't trying to semi-bluff you off a made hand very often. If villain is doing that sort of thing in big pots very often then tighten up your game in 3 bet pots and value them when you do hit.
Join Date: Jul 2016
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If you check the flop and fold to a turn bet, you're giving up way too easily.
Flop bet is perfectly fine. You still have a range advantage and V has plenty of hands that flat your 3b OOP that don't include an A. A good, quality opponent will actually have more non-A hands OOP here, since many of his A-suited hands should be folding to your $100 3b.
Once he calls your flop cbet, you're obviously looking to check behind on the turn. If turn/river bricks and he bets, you have to decide if there are enough flop draws (there's not many), but more importantly, whether he's willing/able to bluff those missed draws on the river with no SDV. In most situations, you're folding the river to any bet he makes, since there weren't many draws he could float the flop with.
So in other words, you can effectively give up the hand after he calls your flop cbet. You heavily block a hand like KQ which might bet for thin value on future streets, and he's not likely to bet the river with an unimproved QJs/QTs that should be trying to get to showdown cheaply.
As played, snap fold the turn. I'd also bet closer to half pot on the flop. I think you bet a bit too much. It's a pretty dry board, QQ is still within his range, and you're in a WA/WB situation here.
Join Date: Dec 2007
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OP, please don't include results, as it can bias advice. In this hand, it's dirt obvious that you are always losing after V called flop and that every penny you put in after that was spew, but usually it's not so obvious, and you don't want to tilt folks to results orientation.
Join Date: May 2014
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I actually don't mind it as much as other people, as long as you think he has a lot of weak Ax. KK should be your only (and best) bluff you have in a spot like this, so he can't really be calling down without burning money. That said, you want to make sure he can fold a hand before you try stuff like this. As played the turn is just an incredibly easy fold. He has A9, AQ, QQ, 44 most of the time here, most people won't make that turn raise w/ Qdxd or JdTd and even if they could, those are so few combos that it doesn't really matter.