1/2 Live at Cincinnati Horseshoe

Hero 36 White Male. Knows all the dealers but only knows one player at the table. Adapting style. Bought in for $200 but is now at $300 without showdown.

Villain PFR- Drunk 25 year old wearing baseball cap. Double fisting Miller Light. Stack is $500. Has played about 50% of hands either limping or opening at least $20.

Villain BB - 40 year old $155 stack. Not drinking.


1 limper
Villain PFR raises to $25
Hero is on Button with QhQd.
I considered a raise here of course but considering that we are both very deep, I decided to flat here and utilized the button.

SB goes all in for $27.
BB calls.
Limper calls.
PFR calls.
Hero calls.

Flop ($135) Jc Tc 9c

BB Villain goes all in for $130.
Limper folds.
PFR Villain folds.


HERO ??????

you are not deep at all. not 3betting described villain here seems pretty bad

like, nails to a chalkboard bad....

^^^^this. A lot!! You're only 150BBs deep. This is a 3 bet 100% of the time for me. $75 all day long, more if he is a spew monkey.

Once PFR makes it $25 your not deep any more. If you flat that and nobody else gets involved your SPR will still be < 6 on the flop. Better to make it $60 then.

As played, fold I guess. BB probably isn't playing weak garbage after the preflop action, and he has to expect this flop to hit somebody so he shouldn't be shoving a weak draw. Your probably facing two pair+ or a big draw and you hand doesn't hold up well against that range.

Your not deep. Call this. Be happy about it. Laugh when he has AJ. Cry a little when he has TJ but then laugh again when you make the straight.

Maybe knowing all the dealers improves his post flop play...

3Bet to $75?

If I 3bet to $75, I think that he folds hands that I dominate 99 - 22, AK, AQ, AJ, and AT. I know that it is pretty standard to 3bet with QQ but with this Villain (or most in 1/2 NLHE for that matter) and considering my hand strength and position, is it the best play?

lol. Just play alot of home games with them and as many of you know, most poker dealers are terrible players.

As for my post flop play, I am pretty comfortable with any 2 in position, not just QQ.

Given the dead money and odds laid, how am I looking vs his range?

Your correct. I mistakenly summarized that I was very deep. I guess my tourney roots crept into my thinking there.

Just FMI, what would you guys consider deep?

Drunky no fold to 3b pre. $65-80. Probably 3b him very wide.

As played, call it off.

It's debatable whether or not QQ is a standard 3bet for value as a default. But, when an initial raiser has a wider than typical range, a standard adjustment would be to 3bet wider for value, which would then definitely include QQ.

You didn't say how often V is raising and how often V is limping. If he's raising 20% of hands, you could 3bet him without looking at your hand for an EV of $20 or so, since you claim he is only continuing with a 2% range. I'd suggest doing that until he either lowers his opening range or increases his continuing range.

This is a call as played. You're getting 2:1. Without much of a read on V I think he has more drawing hands than made flushes and straights here incl combo draws like Ac8x, Ac9x, AcTx, AcJx, AcXx. You're flipping against two pair. He could be jamming with a set looking to get called by draws but I think with 2:1 you can take the odds on that and hope you make your straight, even given that with this many players post flop it's likely that at least one of your K outs is already in play. Doubtful that he called from the BB with low suited connectors, and he wouldn't jam with the nuts or second nuts.

It really depends upon your casino and their rules, but I think you generally need to start thinking about these factors after 200 BBs and that 300+ BB qualifies as being legitimately deep in most games.

150bb is deep.

However, when someone opens to 12.5x, you're no longer playing deep.

For example, if this was a 1/2/5 game, and someone opened 5x (which is around the norm, (or $20), and you have $300, you have 60bb, QQ would be an easy 3-bet / call-shove stack.

Not 3-betting a drunk/drinking guy with QQ is lighting money on fire.

Edit: Read your post about being worried you'll fold out worse. No. Drunk/drinkers do not fold. 3-bet, collect the cash.

The drunk guy was playing around 50% of hands but only making the absurd raises 20% of the time total. I think he was raising any reasonable hand in his opinion.

I appreciate your insights here. I think I am leveling myself a bit trying to play like Bart Hansen vs ******s.

Perhaps my advice was too subtly worded. If a player is opening 20% of hands and folding to 3bets with all but 2% of hands, that means he is folding 18%/20% = 90% of the time to a 3bet. If you have a player folding 90% of the time to a reraise, you profit immediately by reraising him regardless of what cards you have. So, if you really believe that this drinking guy opening 20% of hands for big raises would fold to 3bets unless he held AA-TT, you should have been reraising him every single time he opened.

Another way to put it would be - don't you want to rethink your assumption that he would've only continued with AA-TT?

QQ is a 3bet all day against this Villain at probably any stack depth. (I have no experience mega-deep)