$5/5 - $500 buy in

Stacks'n'Reads
Table - This is a very good game filled with a couple of deep pocketed LAGs who want to gamble. One of them is MIA at the moment, but the remaining two are making the game action packed filled with big pots.

SB $1500 - decent player, a bit too loose preflop, good aggression post flop.
BB $1400 - decent lag who is in for ~$3000 and just finished some crazy tilt play to get up to $1400. He has cooled off and been folding his last few hands.
UTG $3100 - LAG thinking player who wants action. He is capable of taking shots. Since I sat down, he's been trying to get UTG+1 to do all sorts of prop bets about the size of their stacks. He's in for ~$2000
UTG+1 $2500 - 20s asian dude who only seems to raise preflop with goods hands, limps many of his other hands. He was on a tear to build up his stack but has lost a couple of hands recently where his bluffs were called. If he really likes his hand, he seems to commit to it (not sure about an over pair, but he's paid off holding bottom two pair before) He's in for ~$1500
MP1 $450 Nitty McNitty
MP2 $1200 decent TAG
CO $1000 I've seen him play TAG before, but right now he is loose passive. He is a thinking player, but he's just off tonight
Button (Hero) $350 I lost a hand a short time ago and didn't reload because this was going to be my last orbit. I've played 3 hands since sitting down an hour ago, so if anyone was watching (and at this table they are more focused on each other than me), they would classify me as probably a nit

Preflop
UTG straddles for $10

Hero is the button with K J

UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG checks

Normally I think this is a fold, but I let my card deadness creep in and I figured it would be the best hand and best position I would see before leaving.

Anyone at this table is capable of a limp reraise with a decent range if UTG raises his straddle, so calling on the button is a much better play than raising and getting blown of the hand by someone 3!

Flop T 9 4 (6 players)
Pot $55

SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $35...

For lack of a better description, UTG+1's bet made me think he loved this flop and his hand. Maybe he tried to get tricky with an over pair or he's got a set or two pair.

CO calls, Hero calls...

I have a gutshot to the nuts, the Q is not going to be a scare card per se, there's no flush draws, and I think if I hit, UTG+1 will pay me off

SB calls, BB folds.

Turn Q (4 players)
Pot $195

SB checks, UTG+1 bets $100, CO folds, Hero calls.....

Is the call here correct?

I don't have much left and I think UTG+1 will bet the river, but I'm also not sure what would be a scare card for him (a J or K is an obvious scare card or maybe A too if he only has two pair) or if he would call my push (it seems like the push would make it obvious what I have) and if he has a set, don't I want to get it in while I'm ahead on the turn?

Plus SB is still left to act, so calling seems like the best way to get him to call too. On the off chance he has a slow played monster, calling also seems right because it lets him make a play and trap UTG+1 for more money. This of course assumes that he would raise the turn in which case am I better off raising instead of waiting?

I would shove turn. Since he has been caught bluffing recently he is more likely to think you are playing back at him. He likes his hand and I can't see him folding here since you don't have that much more money behind. Any board pair or straightening card is going to freeze action if he has TPTK or two pair.

I think the turn call is fine since you say Villain gets committed to his hands and imply that he pushes his good hands and is capable of bluffing his junk. If he can be relied upon to make another bet on the river, let him do so -- and we have position, so if he checks to us, we can put it in ourselves.

As an aside, I think raising this on the button is preferable to calling. Results of this hand aside, KJo doesn't do all that well against multiple opponents.

Flop is a fold with your SS. You're not going to get to see the river that often and we're calling more than 10% of our stack. We also have RIO if we hit a K or J, and turn 8 doesn't give us enough outs if the villain makes a decent sized bet again. I'd also iso raise preflop since, as said earlier, KJ just doesn't play as well mw.

OTT, just jam. If your initial read is right and he loves his hand, he'll call now and we get to avoid the scare cards. We don't even have a PSB left.

I see nothing wrong with the PF call. I'm especially on notice when UTG+1 limps in a straddled pot because they're always the one primed to limp/3bet. KJo is a nice hand OTB in a smallish pot. It's not so fun in a raised straddled pot where you might have to cbet when you missed while players are unwilling to go down easy...especially if the straddler calls and gets any of the flop.

OTT, I think calling is best. There are no FDs to fear and we wanna suck in SB. Plus, either way we'll be able to get our stack in. If we call turn and SB folds, pot OTR is $400 and we have $200 behind. We either get put AI or shove ourself. If SB calls turn, it's even better.

Shoving turn risks losing our customers since it's such a classic strong move. Calling turn deleverages the pot and lets +1 get to a more comfortable showdown.

Grunch.

I'd raise this pre. No one seems to like their hand very much, so we're probably ahead and we have position. Make it $50 to go.

As played OTF, you have four outs to the nuts and up to six more to a decent hand. Use that equity to support a bluff that could very well win it now. Make it 125 to go. Just calling is not profitable.

As played OTT, the pot will be 300 with your call and you'll have 200 behind. Shove. If V folds, oh well. There's no particular reason to think he'll be more likely to call the river than the turn. You might get SB with just a call, but you might well not. You might still get him with the shove. The river might kill your action, lead to to chop with another K or J, conceivably let someone outdraw you. None of these is likely and I'm not suggesting MUBS, but there's no reason not to gii now.

Edit: I think calling pre is profitable, but I think raising is much more so. I'm not considering folding.

Pre is not loose. You should be raising this hand, though, unless UTG raises his straddle wide so you can limp/shove. I see no reason to believe UTG+1 or CO are trapping.

I also see no reason to believe UTG+1's range is very strong. He can have a bunch of Tx, some 9x or a draw along with 2P+. Raising is much better than calling. If you are convinced of strength for some reason then you should just fold because raising has no FE, and calling is not profitable when a K/J are rarely clean and you don't have enough IO to try and bink a four outer.

If you put UTG+1 on such a strong range then just shove the turn because he's never folding.

Edit: I didn't notice a third player was still in the hand. That makes calling trying to get an overcall a little bit more appealing, but I think I'd still shove because I don't think SB will overcall with <=Tx, which is his most of his range, IMO.

Call, you need an overcall by SB to make your implieds from the your call of the flop bet.

^ This makes no sense; implied odds are prospective, not retrospective. You are no longer drawing and it's a question of getting max value for your hand, which has some correlation to your prior decision, but not much.

Sklansky does a great job of explaining slowplays in Theory, at p. 143 et. seq. The key concept is that you want someone to draw to a second best hand that is both (1) second best to yours and (2) significantly better than what they currently hold.

A good example from NLH is when you flop the ace high flush, the turn card is a blank, and no one else has a flush yet. But even in that case, slowplaying is debatable. The spots where slowplaying is clearly the best option are few and far between in NLH.

In this case, you might slowplay hoping someone is drawing to the idiot end, but that doesn't seem like the best decision.

I don't mind the call preflop. We call in position with this hand to get to this exact situation - nut draw with money behind. If we were deeper I'd prefer a raise.

Since the pot's multiway, calling the flop is *okay*. If we're deeper it's a snap call. I can see a good argument for folding.

Once you hit and V bets out, calling is the best option. There are no bad rivers for us and the pot's huge at this point - V won't be able to get off an overpair or set.

Just call. Why give something like JT an excuse to fold?

Kings are bad, queens are bad, jacks are bad, tens are bad, nines are bad, and fours are bad. That's 40% of the deck. All of them either kill our hand or kill our action against a set.

The fact that the pot is huge means hero has no fold equity. But coincidentally, he has the nuts.

I hand like J10 is far more likely to put more money in on the turn when they have "outs". They will not put in another dollar on the river if they don't improve. We are so short a shove is the correct play.

With the SB still to act this is a pretty clear call. If you raise he is folding 99% of his range. Calling allows him to stick around with draws that are no good and one pair hands. If you were heads up you should shove. Going to the river with two villains and a half pot bet behind is a dream scenario.

I think he's referring to J10 as a possible SB hand, not UTG. SB is calling $100 with J10 but never calling a turn shove

Assuming you play the exact hand the exact same way X amount of times, you will bleed Y amount of money doing so (whether or not this has been in the past, or will be in the future). To justify the call, you need to still make your IO to cover Y anytime it is possible. Unless you are simply being results oriented.

EDIT: Also, as far as slowplaying goes, you have the nuts at this point. If your argument for raising is that we push out SB to prevent him from realizing his equity, ummm, what? We don't need his whole 100 to cover our implieds from the flop, if he has 20% equity, the 80 will cover them just fine.

There is literally 0 reason to shove against described villains with your hand on this board. Unless his betting range 2 streets here is very draw tilted, which it shouldnt be.

Call.

You will never play this same hand again. As many times as you try. It simply won't happen. I'm being reality oriented. I can't be results oriented unless I know the results.

The idea of walking one mile is different from really walking one mile. Implied odds are the same; thinking you have them isn't the same as having them. Try to hold your hand one foot above a table and then measure that distance; it will never be a foot above the table, unless you keep the ruler there (or something else that's a foot long).

In the instant case, hero has $310 left in his stack and there is $295 already in the pot. You can imagine SB will overcall a large turn bet that's almost always value, but fold if hero raises. You can also imagine SB CRAI after hero moves in. You can also imagine SB riding a flying unicorn.

Pretending to be clairvoyant might get you a TV show, but it won't help you win at poker.

LOL, talk about not making sense.

Fold flop OP says we're calling because of 4 cards that can come or I missed something.

Your logic is impeccable. Let me guess, when you don't like the day's weather, you blame the nearest meteorologist.

Hero called believing he could collect X dollars if he made his draw. How much he actually collects is, for all practical purposes, INDEPENDENT OF HIS BELIEFS!!!! The reasoning he used when deciding to take a card off is completely irrelevant to the play of the hand afterwards. E.g. hero had no idea SB would check and UTG + 1 would bet.

The hand is being played in reality against real opponents.

Yet X (even if X = Hero's whole stack) is not big enough against a single opponent to justify his flop call. I assume that Hero decided to make this loose call since there was another player in the pot (whether or not this is a good idea is open for debate). Since he made his draw, why on earth would he want to chase out the guy that made it possible for him to draw in the first place?

Hero's good fortune has nothing to do with SB's decision. As far as SB knows, hero has QJ in the hole. You are making a circular argument!!!

NVM

Of course it doesn't, who ever said it did?

EDIT: Ah, nevermind, it's a dumb argument anyway. I'm done.