Range is an opening range OBV.

what are you doing with the btm of your opening ranges when you are in CO or BTN with 3-4 limps in front of you? say hands like KT0 J9s etc? just folding?

I know this is a very general question given no reads/stacks sizes.

Obviously we shouldn't call a raise with As5s from the BB if we're facing a heads up pot...

But can't we see a flop if we're the fourth or fifth one in?

well put.

I always show my nut hands for the same reason. I want people to be scared to call me.

Solid OP and thread. I've decided to stick this for a while up top.

I've spend time off and on trying to come up with a "live" definition of aggressive play. On-line, it is fairly easy to measure if a player is primarily aggressive or not. The best I have at the moment is a negative answer. If you making a call with the sole plan of hitting your hand then getting paid off, you aren't playing aggressively. And yes, that includes calling with 66 to set mine.

It doesn't mean that you aren't going to hit your hand and bet, nor you're always going to raise to drive everyone else out. However, you know certain potential flop situations where you're got a high % opportunity to take a pot without having a hand. Calling because you might have a winner is not in the play book.

PS. Being non-aggressive is a long time problem for entry level players and even on line. Below is a link showing just how weak-tight we all can be.

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...age=16&fpart=1

It would be instructive for you to calculate how often you hit 2 pair+ on the flop to see why doing this on a fit or fold basis is -EV. TBH, calling HU would be a better play and 3betting a late position raise might be best of all.

I dunno why so many people are so concerned about specific hands being unprofitable in specific situations. Poker is a game consisting of many hands... If I call A7s from the BB, see a K86 rainbow flop, and decide to checkraise then barrel turn with a BDFD, and end up losing hundreds of dollars to AA with a failed river bluff - announcing "ace high" as I go to muck my cards... Well, whoever was sitting at that table at the time will remember this hand, and I will get payed off lighter for many sessions to come with my big hands... I'm sure I make a lot of unprofitable calls, but because I do, and because I am aggressive enough to make those unprofitable calls only a little bit of a leak, I end up winning a lot more overall. (BUT yeah, flatting a 6x raise only 100BBs deep is really pretty bad in this situation, and even I'll make this fold a lot of the time - I prefer playing a bit deeper).

and so what range do you need to tighten to if ur at a straddle fest table with 4 -5 limpers in front of you because this is fairly standard at my local 1/2

at that point as described i would likely need to make it 25-35 to have a shot at HU. anyone that might call that could very likely min raise it to furthure insure its now heads up so now its 50-75$ pre with 50BB eff because of straddle

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...age=16&fpart=1

That was an amazing social experiment with interesting results. Thanks.

I think it's already been pointed out in this thread, but there is a big difference between actually "playing TAG" as ike described it, versus "having a TAG image" as the other people at the table see it. I have really nothing of value to add here, as actually one of the things I'm not good at at the table is knowing how other people view me. But I do know that the slow pace of the game means that image can get distorted.

Does anyone think that having basically an unpredictable image is better than tag.lag etc. Which are all labels anyways. I'm a learning player but what's wrong with playing every hand differently in every situation

Because it's highly likely that you're not good enough to play every hand differently and not lose massive amounts of value. I know I'm not.

should never play lag until you've mastered tag, probably the worst strat for a learning player.

I've seen quite a few people make this type of post, and it's really not something I can do. It's very opponent specific.

I agree with pretty much everything in here, but I think that opening small PPs in EP in low stakes games is lighting your money on fire. I've seen people argue that opening these hands helps balance and keep your range wider, but really there is no need to concern yourself with this in live low stakes. I think folding>raising>>limping with 22-55 from the first two spots.

So, it's not possible for someone to post that they have a TAG image, and decide to change gears for a bit? an image is called an image for a reason. To exploit when possible.

Good post and I agree, but I think bashing someone who is changing gears against certain players isn't the exact way to go about this. Poker is situational, always has and always will

occam's razor dude. The simplest explanation is that they are just wrong about what they think is tag. I see this over and over and over and over again itf.

Actually I had very good results playing tag. Problem is once I've went lag its been hard for me to go back. But I kept thinking lag was raise every hand and just bluff every scare card and semi bluff every opportunity I get. Needless to say I've had huge wins and I've lost buy ins very fast.

This is your leak. 26suited

+1 what are you doing with these hands Ike? I seem to fold the offsuit weak broadways at sticky tables but iso raise the nitty limp foldy types with a herd of limpers

I agree with most of the OP, and I find the "TAG" players calling with trash pretty humorous.

However, I disagree with your assigned TAG ranges. Opening K10o-j10o, QJo UTG+3 isn't TAG.

The TAGs are the ones you forget are at the table because they rarely play a hand and they're sitting next to some fat dude that blocks your view from them, and after an hour some chips squirt out from beneath his armpit and you realize it was the guy beside him who hasn't played a hand for an hour.

Doesnt playing tag at a live table make you too predictable ?

Im a Lag player and when I see a player who play tag, like 10-15% I usually play more tricky hand and less AT, is that wrong ? I dont want to be dominated and I want to farm.

What I mean by tricky hands is like, suited connectors type of hand...
Like that I can farm straight-2pairs-flush against someone who will bet a lot and I will know 90% of time what he has...

Am I the only one that see it that way ?

think your describing a nit not a TAG because tags are going to be firing many flops which you aren't gonna flop much at all with those type of hands.

I don't really understand this sentiment TBH if you are playing a good TAG you are not getting paid off often when you make something with these hands, or the TAG isn't opening so tight that you are auto stacking someone every time you flop 2 pair. Feel free to call my opens light and try to out flop me though and give up the times you miss which is gonna be alot.

Unless you are pretty deep this is a losing strategy vs a actual TAG player.

You hae a misunderstanding of what a TAG is; what you described is a nit