I'd like to just point out that presence and demeanor should be the determining factors and not necessarily ability to post well. This isn't poster of the year, its mod selection. I would make a terrible mod. Some great posters here would be terrible mods. Just something to think about. No finger pointing intended.

Yeah this isn't a contest for best poker player

Damn right

So you are saying I have a chance???

^Lmao

Garick, BigSkip and DeadMoneyWalking get my nominations...I think any of them would be fair mods and would wield the banhammer with skill.

Not taking a shot at you, bruh.

Just saying that guys that spend 90% of their 2+2 time "chatting" may not be the best choices for a site that's about advancing the game of poker and poker strategy.

If you look at the posts above, you'll see that most of the chat regulars have mainly nominated their chat buddies. Yet there are lots of other sharp individuals who should be considered.

Personally, I think 2+2 should consider guys like DGAF, daniel9861 and UCD LaCrosse who show respect for the game and other posters.

My point is the next LLSNL mod or mods should not be a popularity contest.

If you think this is taking a shot at you, then my apologies.

It's not a popularity contest. Rather "chat regulars" are usually players who have been around the forum long enough to have the respect of other reg posters for both their abilities in the game, and in showing a consistent level of maturity and class that is appropriate for a moderator.

Plus, we are not counting votes here, so how many times a person gets mentioned really doesnt increase the chance of them being selected. If you feel like we missed anyone, one nomination is all it takes to put them in the running.

2+2 is not a democracy. The mods are not tallying the votes. It has a influence, but it is one of many other factors. What does have an influence is participation in the strat threads as stated in the OP. We've already looked that for all the nominees prior to the OP being posted.

I defintely don't think it's a popularity contest but I think that spending alot of time on 2p2 and being very mature are the two most important things. Skip likes fart jokes but he's a coach and has been around. Important things imo.

Apology not accepted.

so... what is the purpose of this thread?

To add as an additional factor in the decision.

And likely to out people who dont want to do it.

And out people who might want to, but have not made their intentions known.

they will hear what the people have to say and take it into account while making the final decision

Pretty much everything ir2m said. It is good to know who people respect/want to see mod so that when we make our decision it is not an unpopular one (although it is not a popularity contest). It also gives a chance for those who want to be a mod to speak up and say so. It works the other way too (i.e. GG). Basically venice is saying he wants to hear what people think, but just because X poster has been mentioned the most ITT it doesn't mean they are automatically the new mod, so leave all that other stuff (bashing and what not) at the door. Give us your opinion on who you think the best strat mod would be.

I am going to address this since it has been brought up and it is obvious a few people have some hard feelings.

First of all I am one of those guys who spends a large majority of my time in the chat thread. That is no big secret. Still the forum has continued it's growth since its conception. I have busted my ass to give this place a community feel, a strong camaraderie between people with a similar interest if you will. This forum is the #1 strategy forum partly due to my efforts and my time spent in the chat thread. I really hate talking like that because I don't like to sound egotistical, but I have been told the same thing by others, so I guess it's not just me tooting my own horn.

The chat thread is considered the fraternity of LLSNL, although it is not a males only show, ask Snowball. It is not an exclusive club though, it is inclusive. Rarely do you get that in a forum of this size with a bond between people so big. It truly is unique. I have people PM'ing me about the Vegas trip and if they are allowed to be there because they are a low volume poster. My answer has always been, "EFF YEAH!" I know what it is like to be in a them vs us forum, and I have always tried to avoid that here. I think if you visited some other forums (not necessarily this site) you'd see that LLSNL bond is pretty effing rad and not as bad as you think it is.

LLSNL is modded in such a way that the mods don't have to take a hard line approach. We don't have to be nazi mods to get our point across. We only step in when necessary. Our job is to browse the strat threads and fix what needs to be fixed. It is not required that I post in X amount of threads. TBH, I have read and responded to so many HH's that it gets to the point that I am just repeating myself. I really only respond when I find a HH interesting, or I see a poster struggling with a spot that should be a very simple spot. I enjoy knowing that I helped improve someones game, not just responded to another random post and/or posted the same thing the 20 people said before me, although I still do that from time to time, but very rarely.

I am not sure you have a true feel for who the mods are or how they do things here. Venice is the least likely person in this whole forum to make this a popularity contest. If you knew the work he was putting into this you'd feel embarrassed for calling it a popularity contest. When he told me what he was doing I asked myself how the eff does he have time to do that. The guy is very detailed. What I will tell you is that we have criteria that the new mod needs to meet. One of those criteria is obviously he needs to be a strat thread guy. I suggested this as an effort to help build up the community bond of the people who post primarily in strat. I am a community guy after all. The next criteria, which is a biggie, is that the person picked should be a main fixture in this forum. Out of the three people you noted I only know one to be a pretty consistent face here (daniel9861). UCD came into the chat thread not too long ago and introduced himself to us. I have to assume he is fairly new here, but I could be wrong. DGAF is for sure not a fixture here. All three of the people you spoke about seem to be really good posters/players/etc. But I am not sure they all meet the criteria. The guys who have been mentioned the most (Garick, GG, Willyoman, and a few others) would be better mods because of the time spent here and their contributions to strat, even if they aren't high stakes crushers like DGAF, UCD, etc (which they could be, I have no proof saying they are not).

As you can see the mods here are not looking for the most popular poster in the forum. We are not looking for the best looking. When I came on that criteria was filled . We are looking for the person that will be able to meet the goals and objectives for this forum, which is to make this the best forum evarrrrr.

With all that said I'd like to add...

tl;dr

^ What Ace does for this forum again and again - and why the mods deserve a ton of credit for how good of a community LLSNL is.

There are several premium choices for a new mod - which is a great thing when you step back and realize it doesn't have to be your #1 guy... it just has to be someone who will not harm the forum. As such, this is almost a non-topic because I have faith the mods will pick another good mod. There is no way "who is mod" should affect your posting so long as you are not maliciously trolling.

To support what Paddy (ie. the almighty wielder of ban bananas :P) has said, I started zoltaning the chat thread pretty recently, and I never got the feeling that it's a fraternity/popularity show in the thread. I got along with most people really quickly and found the atmosphere welcoming (inb4 lolfemaleonmaleforum, people thought I was like 60 until pretty recently). It's seriously one of the few places online where you are judged by the quality of your posts and your general attitude. It's by no mean exclusive at all.

We don't want a rapini

Thanks for the nomination but fwiw I don't have enough time to be a mod nor do I think I would be best fit for the job.

However, we could figure out a way to distinguish the good strat posters so that the OP of a thread knows that they're most likely getting good advice from that person since it's hard for new players to distinguish good advice from the bad. Maybe nominate a lead strat person like SABR/ATsai/ect. and then have that person nominate people who they think give good advice? Just a thought.

Ace -

I never said this has been or should popularity contest. In fact, I was advocating that it NOT be one.

Based on how contentious some of the posts have been in the strat forums lately (e.g., 1/2 AJ UTG), I think 2+2 needs a mod (or mods) that will add some civility to the threads.

Sometimes it feels as if chat "regulars" are given more leeway than strat "regulars" with regards to behavior standards because they're pals with the mods. This might be factually inaccurate - but you'd be hard pressed to convince me otherwise.

BTW - mods are in green. And I think venice10 has been doing an outstanding job as a mod - as Mpethy did. Maybe you should ask Mpethy who he thinks should replace him.

Yes, I understand what you were advocating and I acknowledged that you were advocating that. What you missed is that you do not know who venice10 is all that well because if you did you would know that he would be the last person to make this a popularity contest.

To be frank, I think many of the issues you have here are an after affect of a recent high profile thread/issue in another forum. I'm not going to discuss that here though. If you want to talk about it via PM feel free. I will say this, you don't know the full story of everything that goes on and what happens behind the scenes. I am very well aware of the issues as are the other mods.

Knowing mpethy he'd say whoever venice10, JM3, and myself pick will be a fine choice.

/derail

If you have any more people you'd like to nominate please PM venice10 or I.

/thread derailments.