Just played my first live session (apart from home games) last night and this hand came up. Would appreciate feedback on my line.

stakes: 50p / £1.

pot is limped 4 ways and we check our option in the BB with T5o.

Flop: T83 rainbow (£5)

I lead out for £4 and get one caller, an older Asian lady OTB. She just sat down a couple of hands ago so no reads.

Turn: 8o (£13)

I check, she checks behind. Not sure if we should be barrelling here to charge her from seeing a free river and hitting any overcards she may have. I've no idea what her range is here; overlimping OTB can be pretty much ATC so she can totally have an 8.

River is a brick: T8385 rainbow (£13)

I lead for £7 and she tanks very briefly before re-popping me to £20.

I guess I have 2 questions:

How is my line? Should we be barrelling turn? As played, should we be betting riv (what worse calls?), or check-calling for SDV?

As played, is riv a standard fold or should we look her up?

Any help appreciated. thanks

Is V skinny or fat? Chubby OAL never bet with less than 8x, JT+

If she is skinny, I might call. Might.

Either way its better to fold.

Flop and Turn are OK imo.
For your question about the turn, there are not enough draws and above all you have not a hand strong enough to be concerned with the draws. "Small hands, small pots", this one of the most famous rule in poker, and here it applies 100%. You don't want to be building big pots OTT, only for charging some rare draws. The turn is not good as it gives trips to any 8, so just checking is by far the best move, trying to get a cheap SD with a medium/weak strenght hand. You charge the draws when you have a hand that worth it, that is a strong hand.

Now OTR. There is something VERY VERY important you must learn. It's one of the most important rule in poker.

When a passive player (the vast majority of old ladies fit in this category) raise you, and moreover raise you OTR, she has the nuts. Period.

Here she has at the very least an 8 and probably a hand even stronger.
If you decide to bet OTR, which is not mandatory as you don't have a lot of value to take, you could have bet a bit smaler like £5 to make sure there are weaker hands than yours that would call (like any small pocket pair...). But once you're raised, you know that you are beaten like 100% of the time, it's an instamuck.

Cool, thanks. If we don't bet OTR, do we like and x/c, or x/f? Should we judge it on betsizing?

@Vinyl_Pimp; she was really skinny. She also turned out to be a gamboltard, overshoving 1p hands OTF for 100bb twice in the next orbit, though obv I didn't know that when I played this hand.

In my experience, unless they are complete wacko's, check back turn raise river line is always quads. If they are crazy, this is 52o and they are value raising their rivered 2-pair. Until you have that read this is a fold. I like check/call rather than a lead on the river. Not much value in a bet. c/c vs. c/f is bet size dependent. Until you have a read on the player just call small bets and fold to bigger ones. I'm probably calling anything 10 and under here.

Everything is fine up to the river. I'd check the river too. All you have is a bluff catcher and have some show down value. Readless in a LLSNL, it is a flip of the coin as to whether to call or not, but the call is only to see what she had relatively cheap, not with much of an expectation of winning.

Thanks all; makes total sense. Wasn't sure if we should be going for thin value OTR after the turns checks through, or just aiming for cheap SDV.

what is the best way to approach going for thin value OTR at LLSNL without being spewy?

If you have to ask as a general question, the best line is to not do it. It requires knowing the villain's calling range, and knowing how your hand fares against that range. That requires a significant investment of time away from the table to learn and most LLSNL players are here because they haven't spent that time yet (and most likely never will).

FWIW, my preference is to have one question per thread. In my experience, multi-question threads devolve into blogs and 2+2 has a forum for poker blogs. I'll keep this open for a bit, but if it further derails, I'll lock it.

ok, cool. I realise that last question is a too general to be answered meaningfully anyway.

Am trying to work out how to adjust for LLSNL compared to online micros.

Thanks for the advice