$1000 eff. My image young TAG grinder. Very loose passive table, all but one recreational players, the one who's not is an ubernit so not a threat.

V is a loose-passive fish, middle-aged businessman. Seen him c-bet AQ air into 4 people postflop, and call off a turn shove unimproved

I make it $50 from UTG with KdKh to avoid a daisy chain of calls (yes, I had to make it that big). Only V calls from HJ.

Flop: AsAc3s Pot ~ $120 It's on YOU!

There are lots of A-rag in V's range but probability of him flopping trips is low. His range is pretty wide PPs, I'd say 55 and up, pretty much all Aces with kicker > 3 I'd say, all paint.

What's your optimal line for all streets to balance extracting value and pot control in case he has an A?

Why do you want/need to "pot control in case he has an A" on this board?

Don't really get what you are saying.

With what minimal read you provide I would start by checking flop virtually every time.

Also you call him LP fish then you provide an example of him blasting off in a multi way pot. Does not compute

So you're OK stacking off here regardless?

Things are not black and white. Don't be so rigid. Many LP fish will 3-barrel shove AK air for example but won't do it with any other hand. Does that mean they're not LP? No.

if this is the case, then cbet 55. if he calls do you really need lines on additional streets? I don't think im going to war with him if he has an ace. If you think he will float with less, see if he pot controls the turn, but passive fish will most likely check back any non ace. If he bets, you can forget about it. BTW you can't pot control if you are fist to act.

WAT?

I'm just not sure you understand what pot control is and don't really think this is a spot where it is applicable. To be fair I think pot controlling in cash games is an overused way of saying "I don't know what to do so I checked"

It comes down to will he pay off with 77 (for example) at any point in the hand and if so what is the best way to make sure that happens.

Actually yes it does.

I'm not sure you understand what pot control is........................

LOL

K...gl

Also LOL at getting lines on all streets when all we have done is seen the flop.

Loose passive means loose and passive right? Cbetting airballs into 4ppl isn't passive.

LOL I just left a thread where we had a "nit" who was opening light in late position and mixing it up in position and calling down light, and now we have a passive player who is betting into 4 players with air.

You are probably only getting one street of value if he has a pp, maybe you get value from a turned draw. How does he view you? Is he even thinking about that?
Check flop, bet turn, pooch bet river and pray he doesn't believe. Obv fold to any aggression from a LP.

This. You're OOP with an SPR of 10 and an underpair on a paired board. You have no real option to pot control. c/f flop if he's really passive. I think you might be trying to say that he's passive pre, but spazzy post. If so, oh well. Sometimes you'll be folding the best hand. You could bet flop and often get calls from a non-believing PP if he's reliably passive, but as described you are setting yourself up to lose more money when you fold, without much more likelihood of actually being behind.

Once flop checks through, the disbelieving should be strong in him, and you should be able to get a call or two out of PPs or turned draws as mentioned above. This depends highly on runout, of course.

Loose / passive?

Bet, bet, bet.

Consider the following hands:

Ax
JTo
88
54
QT

For each of those hands, imagine how you would want to play KK if you knew that was exactly what he had. Now imagine how you would want to play AK.

Figuring out how to play in this spot begins with how you want play against different hands in your opponent's range.

nwerle... Dont bet KK into trup AAA.

So your line is check flop, bet turn, and pooch bet river. (and fold to any raise along the way). What's "pooch bet"?

So you're basically committed to stacking off and too bad if he happens to have an A.

Great, the only issue is we're playing vs his range, not a specific hand.

pooch bet=very tiny bet

How do you get that from his poast? My assumption is he thinks we bet until a loose passive shows aggression. That is like poker ABC (note I think flop is a check in this specific hand)

Do you understand how to optimally play against Villain tendencies in a vacuum?because you seem to ask really straightforward Level 1 type questions.

Sorry if trolling but your HHs are all over the place.

Does it make sense to you that if you should play against four of those five hands aggressively, then you should probably play this hand aggressively, but if you should play against four of those five hands passively, then you should probably play this hand passively? And if it is not so overwhelmingly one way or the other, you probably need to do more analysis?

If you want to go through every single hand in his range, then go ahead. I'm trying to lead you along by dividing up his range into certain classes of hands and giving you some examples of hands in those classes. I've basically given you an unweighted sample of his range.

Yes.
OK. Do you have some weighting for it too? Honestly, it seems like the process makes sense, I just don't know how to go about this. Could you please demonstrate from start to finish?