Effective stacks 900. UTG Limps (solid reg), UTG+1 limps (loose passive fish), hero is on BTN with AsAd. Hero makes it 50, both limpers call.

Flop 8s 2c 2d. (Pot 165)
Checked to hero, hero bets 75, both call. (Pot 490)

Turn 9h.
Checked to hero, hero bets 200, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to 400, hero calls.

River Jx. (Pot 1290)
UTG+1 jams 400, hero calls.

Could I have played this any differently? All my decisions just felt forced.

What's an UTG limping range for a solid reg?

Loose passive fish min CR's turn on this super dry board seems like a good spot to fold to me.

But my read would have to be pretty strong that this player is not capable of anything and only betting buts like this. Because against the vast majority of the population my stack is going in the middle on this board.

It’s a snap if he’s dumb enough to think 98 > AA.

It’s hard for him to have a 2 unless he’s liberally l/c any 2xs.

Can UTG+1 have 88 or 99 for his limp here? How many 2s do you think are in his limping range?

I'm inclined to fold turn, x/minraise turn is not a bluff ever from this sort of guy, the only question is whether he thinks 98 is a value hand and how much of his range that is. The turn raise should be analyzed as more like a $600 raise because there is no river card that can come where you don't call, so your only out for not getting another 400 in is that he doesn't bet river, which seems unlikely.

the flop is so bone dry/locked down, facing 2 calls, i might bet even smaller than $200 on the turn.

fold to the raise. look at this board. it's wishful thinking we're in good shape here. this is rarely the kind of runout a LP player chooses to make a min-raise bluff.

Your actions are saying you have a big pocket pair and his actions are telling you that he can beat a big pocket pair. He needs to be either a drooler or a bluff monkey for you to expect to be ahead here.

if it were my local: limp call 22-88 A5s- (limp-3! AK JJ+)

OP, did utg1 have the 88, 99 or some garbage x2s? when the fish start c/r'ing it's a good time to fold.

I would think villain could limp call with all suited Aces and all pocket pairs including Aces and Kings in this spot.

This is a very tough spot because I've seen passive fish show up with QQ-AA here. Yes, really. Also Aces has the best blockers, because the most likely 2x hand is A2. Considering his turn raise as an effective all-in, we need about 30% equity.

The confusion about 89 is not something I had thought about. I could see that at 1/2, but would you really expect that at 5/10?

ETA: Ugghhhh. If you have Queens, this is a turbo fold ott. If you have Aces, it's still a fold, but I simply can't do it in game for 90bb on this board. GJ for getting there with your 2x limp/call bruh, and playing it the only possible way to make me consider folding Aces. Here's your payoff.

I am checking my entire range on that flop.

Most likely going to call on turn and river

I am terrified if stacks go in on this board unless these are the fishiest/most clueless new players ever.

If you think they're going to fold everything that can't beat AA to a triple barrel, why aren't you triple barreling your entire range? Very hard to beat AA on that board. Not many 2s in typical ranges.

A couple of reasons contributed to my turn call and subsequent river call.

1. Literal top of range. The only hand I would play this way that's better is probably 99.
2. I have seen this player raise over a limp with 66 before in a previous hand and didn't think he would limp behind with 88 or 99 though he could play it differently this time with a solid player limping.
3. I thought there was maybe a 5% chance he had 89 and thought he was good and was raising so there's that.

I'm not sure what I was expecting when I called river. I didn't expect to win 1/3 of the time after I called the turn bet so I probably should've just let it go. Anyways, he turned over 22 and proceeded to talk about how he trapped me perfectly lol.

This seems bad to me, but I'm not an expert on the much talked about range advantage. My thought here is were have range advantage on this flop (while it has low cards, it is bone-dry and very distinct from a 236 flop) and betting flop seems like a must-bet value spot to me as we should get called by a lot of pocket pairs.

Am I off here?

Is this a troll?

It's a tough hand. In spots like this, where you are just straight up calling bull**** on a guy's line and nothing is going to change on the river, bear in mind when calling the turn that you are effectively calling the river as well. If he ever checks it really just makes things worse, because it means you're not even getting the rest of the money when your hand is good, but you're still always calling off when you're not good.

Obviously you want to be careful with folding to minraises because it's mega-exploitable, but just don't show and don't make a habit of it. You could plausibly have no pairs for your line here, so it's not a big deal.

+1

Checking this flop is awful IMO. Again, the flop is where you are most likely to get the loosest calls because people will think you are FOS (especially on THIS board). If you think you can only get two streets total, then check back the turn to maybe get value from worse on the river. But we should NEVER be worried about b/f at this level...V's just don't bluff raise with any near the correct frequency.

I would usually check turn call/bet river unless playing a total moron.

Don't do this. Bet the turn as a default.

Not getting 3 streets unless V is a doofus and often induce

What's up with the small flop bet multi-way? I'm going like $120 here, jamming turn.

Also going a little bigger pre, $60-70.

If you are going to jam turn for $700+ on this dry board you might as well just turn your cards face up before you do so.

Seems bad to fold AA for 90bb in any 5T game, but it's still a relatively tough spot given descriptions and how often his line needs to be worse for value and JJ just got there too. His better for value ott is probably wider anyway because loose passives will call, call pre with 23-5s quite a bit and play it just like this. It's also a big deal he ck-overcalled flop...really narrows things on an already crazy-narrowing board.

AP Sizing is good, probably could bet less ott though.

Also need to consider stacks. If a loose passive is sitting with a short-stack then his range is going to be almost all hands >AA because he's in protection mode - a staple of loose-passive play. They get shallow and then limp along and gii with anything strong.
If you're there with 900 eff and he is deep, then he has more hands more often that you might beat, albeit still probably not often enough to call. Loose passives are a dream to play against bc their ckr ranges are pure value, so if you want to rely on that archetype then you can fold AA even if it's near your top.

Then the solution is to bluff more. Do you not see something fundamentally wrong with a strategy that involves betting JT on 822-9 and not AA?