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Old 01-23-2016, 11:41 PM   #1
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Live 200NL

Takes place at a local live B&M, and met a friend there, so sat at an open 1-2$ table. Im not a reg at this casino or anything, so Im pretty much unknown. Table is pretty terrible tho; and terrible may be an understatement.
Seems a couple regs came and sat at the table, after seeing how splashy this game was getting, with couple players > 500bb, and live straddles pretty consistently.
Villain in this hand, is one of the regs that just moved, he has only played a couple hands; but from his sizing etc, seemed competent.

I start hand w 300$, V covers, and straddles otb for 5$
older guy from +1 calls 5$, Im HJ w 74 and go 18$, player to my direct left goes all in for 11$, Villain calls button, old guy folds.
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358

Whats our plan here? My initial thought was b/3b, and contemplated c/c

I decide to lead 20$, and villain raises to 55$..

Thx in advance..
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Old 01-24-2016, 12:31 AM   #2
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You flopped about as well as you can expect, so you may as well raise and GII or shove any turn. I mean you can run it through an equity calculator, but you should be in good shape vs. his range.

I hate your preflop action BTW.
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Old 01-24-2016, 12:37 AM   #3
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Fold pre. Bet more on the flop. I believe the pot is ~$50 and you only bet $20. I'd make it at least 30-35.

I'd don't love the situation. Villain most likely has an overpair where you're a slight underdog. You're a significant underdog to sets and are getting crushed by 8hXh hands. It's hard to say how much fold equity you have against an unknown. It's rare to see a raise-fold at low stakes and I'd assume you have little fold equity.

You do have the direct 4:1 odds to continue. I'd call the $35 into a pot of $130 and evaluate the turn.
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Old 01-24-2016, 12:57 AM   #4
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Jam AI when he raises. Gin flop.
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Old 01-24-2016, 07:58 AM   #5
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Bet and call flop. Check and call any turn. If it goes blank blank, you'll need to bail.

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Jam AI when he raises. Gin flop.
^ Hand is too good to use as a bluff. Bluff with 74

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Old 01-24-2016, 08:40 AM   #6
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Call flop. C/r every turn
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Old 01-24-2016, 12:39 PM   #7
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Let's forget the preflop action which can be a post of its own.

I would 3bet large here and try to get paid.

Heck I think I shove
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Old 01-24-2016, 12:44 PM   #8
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Call flop. C/r every turn
^ This is incorrect. If he wants to move in on the turn, he should open shove.
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Old 01-24-2016, 01:39 PM   #9
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Let's forget the preflop action which can be a post of its own.
Elaborate pls. We are 8-handed, my sizing is bad as I neglected to acct for straddle (dont play much cash) should be closer to 23$, but other thoughts? Prob slightly -ev, but not by much, imo, and table is mostly awful. Is your pre range linear?
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Old 01-24-2016, 01:53 PM   #10
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This reads like textbook "online player failing to adapt to live dynamics."
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Old 01-24-2016, 01:59 PM   #11
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Elaborate pls. We are 8-handed, my sizing is bad as I neglected to acct for straddle (dont play much cash) should be closer to 23$, but other thoughts? Prob slightly -ev, but not by much, imo, and table is mostly awful. Is your pre range linear?
Squeezing concept is fine but you have a hand that gives you very little hope if called

Yes the table is bad but I would wait for a better spot. No need to rush. If the players are bad you will certainly have better spots to take advantage of this table and squeezing with 74 just doesn't do it
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Old 01-24-2016, 04:44 PM   #12
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^ This is incorrect. If he wants to move in on the turn, he should open shove.
Get more money in pot without substantially decreasing fold equity by check/raise?
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Old 01-24-2016, 11:54 PM   #13
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This is 1/2. We got raised on flop. We have very little to zero fold equity.

GII is pure aids. Call eval turn.

Preflop is awful.
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Old 01-25-2016, 03:40 AM   #14
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Elaborate pls. We are 8-handed, my sizing is bad...
Dude, everyone who commented said it's awful. The reason, I think most would agree, is that it's just so hard to play well with a hand like this, unless you have the button. There are other ideas about fancy play syndrome and beating small stakes by making fewer BAD plays than your opponents do.

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This is 1/2. We got raised on flop. We have very little to zero fold equity.
^ I think your statement would be very close to gospel if you added "... on the flop" at the end. I'm not sure we never win this one without a showdown; I think there's a reasonable number of times that OTB is just FOS, and maybe a larger number where he has a medium strength hand he would surrender.

But I think it's probably correct to take a card off at this point.

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Old 01-25-2016, 04:21 AM   #15
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Preflop is particularly bad considering that there's a player with only $11 directly to your left, probably itching to get it all in.
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Old 01-25-2016, 03:26 PM   #16
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Bet and call flop. Check and call any turn. If it goes blank blank, you'll need to bail.


^ Hand is too good to use as a bluff. Bluff with 74
I'm assuming he will get called and we aren't using it as a bluff. Although we are maximizing fold equity if we jam flop as well.
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Old 01-25-2016, 06:12 PM   #17
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PF: Meh...fold. At least you raised. $18 is nothing in a $5 straddle hand at a live 1/2 table. All you really did is bloat the pot with a **** hand knowing you'll be OOP (because there is no way the BTN is folding to a raise to $18). Straddlers want to play!

F (52): SPR is ~5.5. We've got a flush draw and gut shot: 12 outs. I'm glad you asked "What's our plan here?" because having a hand even before we put money into the pot is important. Now, since we knew we were going to be OOP and likely not flop anything...we're lucky and now have a pretty[LEFT] strong draw.

Our Cbet is a bit small. I'd just call here. You're getting a good price $127:$35 (3.6:1 or 22%). No reason to get crazy and 3bet here. Any decent 3bet commits you to this pot.
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Old 01-25-2016, 09:50 PM   #18
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I'm assuming he will get called and we aren't using it as a bluff.
So you're assuming you'll get called by a worse hand?
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Old 01-25-2016, 09:56 PM   #19
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I think we have very little fold equity here if we shove, so I would just call with our strong draw
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Old 01-25-2016, 10:31 PM   #20
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So you're assuming you'll get called by a worse hand?
I see what your saying. We will only get called by hands that are ahead on the flop, but we would be turning it into a semi-bluff, not bluff....
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Old 01-25-2016, 10:44 PM   #21
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I see what your saying. We will only get called by hands that are ahead on the flop, but we would be turning it into a semi-bluff, not bluff....
My thought on b/3b was we could fold out better FDs, and some JJ-99. Can likely strongly discount QQ+, AQhh due to pre
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Old 01-25-2016, 10:55 PM   #22
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My thought on b/3b was we could fold out better FDs, and some JJ-99. Can likely strongly discount QQ+, AQhh due to pre
When is last time you saw someone fold a flush draw @ 1/2. Not to mention. He has 1 over card 100% of time.

2 overcards 95% of the time.

We are not getting flush draws to fold here.
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