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can´t believe so many guys advocate checking back top pair decent kicker + nfd ott ip
such a great hand to have in your bet/call see a river range.

what are you guys betting ott? AK+ and tons of airballbluffs (assuming we don´t wanna bet bc we believe he´s way overfolding and folds almost all hands we beat (which I strongly disagree with))?

This. Checking is so fishy and results oriented.

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10-22-2018 , 07:50 PM

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johnnyBuz

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Originally Posted by wait

This. Checking is so fishy and results oriented.

How is it results oriented? There are no draws on the flop besides gut shots.

On the turn he is going to x/f hands worse than Ax, call with Ax, and x/r with A4+.

If he decided to reverse float the flop with K

then sure we are giving him a free card with 6% equity to the river but we also get to snap off whatever bet he decides to make or value bet it our self when he checks.

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10-22-2018 , 09:10 PM

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endodocdc

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Originally Posted by 6bet me

I would imagine that villain is going to have more bluffs in his range when he x/raises river as opposed to donking river... not that I'm looking to bluff catch after betting 2+ streets with a marginal hand on a board texture where we have a clear range advantage.

This is pretty spot on

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10-22-2018 , 09:14 PM

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endodocdc

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Originally Posted by samo

6-handed allows V to call pre-flop with a wider range, especially this deep. I’d expect QQ+/AQ to 3b pre.

If villain is good, he should have a very narrow 3bet range that is skewed towards bluffs only, simply because there is a fish on the button. Villain is in a perfect position to dictate the flow of the hand postflop

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10-23-2018 , 12:47 AM

#30

onedollars

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Originally Posted by Minatorr

If by "great hand" you mean calling a turn x/r where a pro is rarely bluffing and has almost exclusively 2pr+/sets and is thus a -EV call, sure it's a "great hand". I'm not going to go too much into details about checking ATss specifically here, but betting here bc lol TPDC + NFD is really oversimplifying things.

And OTT I would probably also be barreling AJ. i also don't know where you get tons of airball bluffs from. It's not like we are barreling 76s no draw. I'd bet broadway gutshots and turned backdoor spades, and AJ+.

How about a few details/a short summary?

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10-23-2018 , 01:42 AM

#31

ES2

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Originally Posted by endodocdc

Why do you say this?

If the button is a loose whale, I'd probably have the opposite view.

Especially with hands that are kind of vulnerable, like AQ and QQ, I would hope to push the good player (hero) out, or charge him to make a mistake/get value anyway, and get a bad call from the loose whale, then play him HU, and be more comfortable if I wind up with AQ high, or QQ and an over card. Plus, obviously, getting paid off by this guy when I'm good.

I'd be kind of reluctant to bluff, since I'd often be taking a flop OOP. It would depend on the whale, but, in my fancier moments I'd try to isolate him when I have a so-so hand and also hope to take it pre sometimes.

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10-23-2018 , 01:49 AM

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devnull2

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Originally Posted by mdelore

Check turn some % of the time, I don't think you are getting 3 streets from a worse hand and you don't have to protect against a draw.

It's not about protecting against a draw. It's about realizing our equity in the pot. We have to essentially look at the EV of checking and betting. Checking gives us more value, as we still have one more street to extract value and we are in position. Betting is going to fold out a lot of worse hands that have little equity to improve against us.

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10-23-2018 , 08:37 AM

#33

samo

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Originally Posted by endodocdc

There is $44 of dead money in the pot, so not really looking forward to flatting QQ/AQ and going 3-way oop, whale or not.

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10-23-2018 , 09:13 AM

#34

KT_Purple

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hard to think of a hand you beat here in his value range, double floating is not something he would do vs you given the description

checking the turn seems ridiculous to me, i guess nobody here is double barreling which seems kind of criminal since villain is giving us a lot of credit and we induced a call on the flop

fold seems best on the river

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