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11-17-2018 , 10:46 PM

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centurion

Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 108

Live 2/5 1k effective. I'm in bb with AdTd. Button and sb limp and i make it 35. Both call.

Flop Ac Ts 4c pot 105

Checked to me I bet 70, sb (solid reg) makes it 220, I call.

Turn 3c. Pot 545

Sb jams 770. Hero?

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11-17-2018 , 11:07 PM

Money$Team

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Yeah, a pretty tough spot.

I'm feeling like we could make an exploitable hero fold vs a solid reg. Flop raise is almost always 44 or flush draws so tough to find many hands we beat aside from random spew bluffs. If he plays A4 this way it could be closer but a don't think most solid regs would.

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11-17-2018 , 11:23 PM

DooDooPoker

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3bet the flop. Way more FDs combos then 3 combos of 44. Also pair+ club draw is very possible and there’s actually more combos of pair+draw then set of 44.

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11-17-2018 , 11:31 PM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by Money$Team

If you’re folding this hand that means you’re only continuing with 6 combos out of over 100 combos of hands you raise PF and cbet on this board. You’re just way overfolding.

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11-18-2018 , 02:33 AM

hart

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Do we think flop 3b can be AxKc then rip turn as a semi bluff?

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11-18-2018 , 02:47 AM

Badreg2017

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

If you’re folding this hand that means you’re only continuing with 6 combos out of over 100 combos of hands you raise PF and cbet on this board. You’re just way overfolding.

We absolutely have some flushes here as well, we have AT with a club, other hands with one club, and V is likely unbalanced in this spot. Think about his bluff range on this flop. Is he doing stuff like turning bottom pair into a bluff or is it overwhelmingly club draws? How many one club bluff hands does he have vs bluffs with two clubs? I think saying “we are overfolding if we fold so we have to call” is oversimplifying it.

Last edited by Badreg2017; 11-18-2018 at 03:14 AM.

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11-18-2018 , 03:00 AM

ChrisV

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

3bet the flop. Way more FDs combos then 3 combos of 44. Also pair+ club draw is very possible and there’s actually more combos of pair+draw then set of 44.

You're better off waiting for the turn to shove though, your equity advantage vs those hands isn't that big. On turn you can either fold if the flush comes down or make life very hard for V.

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11-18-2018 , 03:01 AM

ChrisV

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Also it doesn't matter if you theoretically overfold if the opponents are chronic underbluffers, which is almost always the case at LLSNL.

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11-18-2018 , 09:58 AM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by Badreg2017

So AxT

, add 3 combos. We’re not folding ever, maybe waiting until the turn blanks and shipping over his turn bet is better. God live is nitty.

As played obviously fold guy has a flush all day.

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11-18-2018 , 09:58 AM

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josofo

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

Also it doesn't matter if you theoretically overfold if the opponents are chronic underbluffers, which is almost always the case at LLSNL.

i agree, but i am calling here

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