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03-08-2015 , 10:45 PM
Playing 2/5
SB: 125
BB Hero: 1600
BTN TAG: 2000

4 limpers at 5 then BTN raises to 25
SB: calls 25
BB Hero: ALive 2/5 Deep Stack missed value?️ALive 2/5 Deep Stack missed value?️ raise to 125
Folds to BTN who calls 125
SB: All in for 125

Hero has good image but it's almost time to leave and he does not want to dump all days profits on 1 hand AA (scared $ = time to go home)

Flop: KLive 2/5 Deep Stack missed value?️6Live 2/5 Deep Stack missed value?️4Live 2/5 Deep Stack missed value?
SB: is all-in PF
BB: bets 150 (dry side, teetering between wanting value and keeping pot small and manageable.
BTN: calls 150

Turn: KLive 2/5 Deep Stack missed value?️6Live 2/5 Deep Stack missed value?️4Live 2/5 Deep Stack missed value?️QLive 2/5 Deep Stack missed value?
BB: Hero decided to check for deception pot mgmt and possibly c/r if available
BTN: Check
River: KLive 2/5 Deep Stack missed value?️6Live 2/5 Deep Stack missed value?️4Live 2/5 Deep Stack missed value?️QLive 2/5 Deep Stack missed value?️8Live 2/5 Deep Stack missed value?

Since Hero already gave up lead represents JJ or less he decides to check again to pick off missed diamonds or possibly avoid value betting into better hand 2pair

BTN: Bets 300
BB: Hero calls

How would you play it better?
I know, bet, bet, bet

Last edited by Svottvt; 03-08-2015 at 10:54 PM.
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03-08-2015 , 11:30 PM
I think it was actually played very well. I don't know what you're looking for here.

Although I am not a fan of the bet size on the flop. I would've bet at least 225. I like the inducement of the bet on the river which resulted from the turn check. A turn bet and he probably wouldn't have continued on turn with another call or bet. Depends on your value size.
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03-08-2015 , 11:46 PM
standard vs a semi competent tag
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03-08-2015 , 11:55 PM
You may have made it too big preflop.

You are so deep with the button that you sort of can't price him out of calling you no matter how much you 3bet to (unless you make it ~260 or more). But if you make it 75, you give the short-stacked SB a chance to reopen the betting by 4betting all in, after which you can bomb it preflop--or, even better, perhaps the button 4bets you instead.

I also think that the stack sizes of the limpers matters as well. That could affect your sizing preflop too.
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03-09-2015 , 12:41 AM
Checking the turn is OK. But I would just bet again for value.

As played on turn, you gotta bet the river. Looking for value from AK, Kx, 99-JJ, QdXd, etc. checking to him just lets him check behind so many worse made hands and bet a range denser with better hands for value. Also, given pre-flop action and that you have the Ad, it's incredibly unlikely that he has a draw, unless it's a draw + pair (like KdJd, QdJd) that will give you plenty of turn value. A decent flush draw will also give you turn value.

So I think trying to induce a bluff is a mistake, and, like you said, just bet bet bet for value on this one. You don't have to size huge, I don't think we want to stack off, but we can certainly win more.
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03-09-2015 , 10:50 AM
I would bet the turn rather than give him a possibly free diamond and he will even call with a king. If he was donking out as a bluff and not betting anymore you have nothing to lose anyway.

As played, when the turn goes check/check unless you knew he would always bet the river, I would be value betting.

pf I like the 125. We have a hand that can potentially lose a lot of chips and we're oop deep.
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03-09-2015 , 11:02 AM
Being oop it's hard to assess how many draws are in v range ott and the q should hit him some of the time. So I can go either way. If I chk turn it's to get called by Kx or heroed by under pairs OTR. So im betting river when he chks turn.

If I'm going to chk river to induce missed draws I'm betting turn.

I don't really get your thinking of both pot controlling and chk raising turn.

Bet more on the flop 200ish.
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03-09-2015 , 11:28 AM
cbet more otf

when you said BB bets 150 I took it as a villain was donking out. The HH is a little confusing, just say Hero
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03-09-2015 , 01:41 PM
i love your cbet sizing. accomplishes so many great things, esp on such a flop after preflop action, but since you said yourself you are on scared money you prob don´t like all the good stuff which that bet hopefully induces
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03-09-2015 , 02:43 PM
I love the PFR. It's so ****ing beautiful because it's probably a bit more than normal, but it puts SB all-in and looks like you're trying to squeeze/iso the SB for a small pot.

Hand is played fine. No need to bet more on the flop because of the dry side-pot. I think bet/bet/bet and your line both have merit -- just depends how you soulread villain
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03-09-2015 , 03:15 PM
Well played. Super deep I like the turn check. It's fairly dry flop. I don't want to bloat pot OOP. Turn I don't want to play for stacks, so I like check/call. Bet/folding would be fine to. But we will be folding best hand some of the time.

River, is super close. I never want to go check/check. So I would bet often if Vilain would check back K-J, K-10,. Think I prefer leading. As we are never getting raised by worse.
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