Live 2/3 NLH

History with Villain, He is very spewy 2 orbits prior he shoved turn with 45off with bottom pair against me. Stacked him with top 2.

very action packed table, opening was average 5-7x BB.

im in BB with 9Th, folds around to villain who is in HJ.

Villain bets $9.

$589 effective stacks, i cover.

SB calls

I complete action.

Flop:

$27
Ah Qd 5h

SB leads $35

My first question... Do i 3b semi bluff here in this spot?

i chose to flat the SB with decent equity against Qx hands.

Villain 3B to $135. SB folds.

WTF? we can rule out AA and QQ in this spot. He would of never bet $9 pre with those hands.

Again, what do i do here? jam??? flat??

folding isn't a option. I flat and turn is 8s.

$332
Ah Qd 5h 6s

I check villain jams..
What do you guys think i should do? Did i play the flop wrong? i almost jammed the flop. Only live tell i got on the flop was he looked very scared, What is he reppin on flop? only thing i can think of is 55 for the set. or A5 for 2 pair.

Any advice is appreciated.

I will post what he had, he showed me after i folded on turn.

I would be 3betting this hand preflop 100% of
The time.


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First off you can’t 3 bet a bet. It’s just a raise or call on the flop.

Secondly, I’d advise against raising a bare FD against this sizing sans history. It’s fishy for him to donk, but you do have PFR to worry about.

As played, why can’t he have AA/QQ? Are his sizing tells this precise? If so, could’ve you at least entertain squeezing pre?

Strongly consider folding against the first raise. This might be unpopular here but let’s look at the situation: a PFR, as spew as he may be, is piling cash in on AQ5. You have a bare FD. You’re getting 2.32:1 on a call (more like 2.25:1 on a call after rake), and you’ve just 8 non board pairing hearts to hit (plus one that does). So that makes you what, a 4.5:1 underdog to have the best hand on the turn? We have to at least entertain a fold, because we really need to get his stack to make a peel profitable here.

As played, he’s jamming and we have a bare FD (and a gutshot if that’s the 8s). At most we have 12 outs. So do the math: clear fold.

This is the problem with chasing draws in no limit, you often don’t realize all of your equity. But under realizing for $100 more is better than piling $580 in with 34% equity or whatever


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Thank you very much for your input.

BTW Villain showed As Jh.

Raising the donk bet with this specific hand would be terrible. Calling or folding to the donk bet could both be reasonable options.

I don't understand why folding to the raise on the flop isn't an option? I'd say it's the only reasonable option.

Even though openings were 5x he's opening from the HJ and with a hand like AA/QQ he wants callers so I wouldn't necessarily discount those hands. However, if you do then that means his raising range is weighted even more heavily towards flush draws, many of which have us crushed.

I don't mind folding vs flop raise considering our draw could be dominated.

Continue with all nfds or any fd + sd imo

Turn very easy fold ap

Why aren’t we allowed to fold

folding the flop looks too nitty to me.

If we are defending BB with T9 suited and folding flops with FD then why enter the hand?

IMO this is the type of flops i wanna see with T9 suited against this specific type of player. if we hit flush on turn, were stacking him most of the time.

Whatcha guys think?

I'd fold to the flop lead over bet and would feel good about it

(I'm responding without having read other responses, i.e "grunching")
The two relevant concepts here are position and odds.

Preflop, I like the call. You are closing the action for a fairly small raise against a player who tends to overplay marginal hands. So if you flop big, you are likely to get paid off - the implied odds are great. And if it gets checked to the raiser on the flop, you will be the last to act. Your relative position is great.

On the flop, everything changes. Now you are squeezed and facing an unexpected overbet from what I assume to be a normal SSNLHE player. Usually this is a bet to be respected. Calling is uncomfortable and raising is spewy. The flush draw is obvious and as such, you don't get much money in the pot when you hit - unless someone has a better flush. I'd fold, but I can understand calling. Once the pot is raised, I fold again.

3bet or fold T9s from the BB. If it's against a good reg I'll flat, but against literally anyone else I am 3betting. As played you have to fold flop, not being results oriented, rec players often reraise 100 + original bet size for pure value.

Call pre is ok

Call SB overbet with LAG behind is meh

Calling 100 more seems bad because you are likely only getting one card

In spite of being OOP, I think I'm ok with preflop due to price and the fact we're in the hand with a guy who can spew.

Flop is a fold, imo. First, dude just overbet the flop so we're getting horrendous odds to chase the most obvious draw. Second, we still have the other guy behind us who could pull a move. Third, we don't even have a draw to the nuts. Finally, we likely have little FE against a guy donking a PSB++ bet into 2 opponents.

We cannot absolutely rule out AA/QQ just cuz he raised to $9 preflop when folded to him; put *way* more weight in what people do for big money on later streets than what they do for little money on early streets.

And why in the world is folding not an option? We're chasing the most obvious draw OOP and getting pretty poor odds to do so. If he's going to stack off for the rest of it every time we hit, ok, whatever, maybe. But mostly this is another fold.

Turn is just a math question and it also depends on whether we've turned a gutshot or not (it's unclear as you've stated two different turn cards). Off the top of my head without doing the math, it looks like a trivial fold.

FWIW, your postflop play likely makes preflop a fold too

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Remove "defending BB" as a reason to see a flop immediately. That might be applicable in tournament play when the blinds are important especially when stacks are short. In deepstack NL play, the blinds money in the pot is pretty much completely irrelevant.

We saw a flop to hopefully put ourselves in a good situation to win money off the spewtard postflop, but all that changed when we got PSB++ donked into with the guy still behind us and then massive money started going into the pot (obliterating our immediate and implied odds) and all we have is T high flush draw.

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