live 1/3.

hero has KsJc in middle position. two limpers including villain who has previously limped AQ and played it slowly. hero raises to $7. bb calls and two limpers call. hero and villain are around 100bb effective stacks.

flop is K-Q-7 with one diamond. checks to hero and hero bets $15. two folds. villain calls.

turn is the Kd. villain checks. hero bets $25. villain announces he needs to "find out where he's at" and raises to $60. hero contemplates and calls.

river is 3s. villain leads for $75. hero?

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Preflop raise is not enough. If table is super tight or will let you take it on the flop a lot, then it might be OK but mostly everybody calls and your playing a marginal hand multiway. Either raise enough to get heads up, or fold. This should be a fold more often then a raise.

Flop bet is a little small given the number of villains in hand, but you got the one caller you wanted. Turn raise is very villain specific, but how many bluffs, smei-bluffs or worse kings is a passive slow player going to have? The answer is not many, and many would have none at all. Folding trips here is disgusting, but the right play here against most villains with the profile you give.

Raise more PF.

Bet larger on the turn. $35 is good.

Obviously never fold river.

thanks. i'm intrigued by raise sizing - what do you think the typical raise should be there? 4x?

Yea, $12 is pretty standard for 1 limper. $15 for 2 limpers.

Would u make it 7 pre after a bunch of limpers with AA?

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It would be hard to fold this hand, but on the turn when you are check raised what range do you assign villain?

$7 has been my standard open so far in this game. i'm amenable to adjusting it, though. it seems to generate nearly the same number of folds as larger opening raises. in this hand, i likely need to adjust for limpers.

after the turn check raise, i think that villain could have KT+, QQ, 77, and some range of semi-bluffs like JTdd, nut diamond draws, and maybe JTo. i feel like diamond draws outside of JTdd are unlikely given the flop, thought.

Let me guess villain had KJ at worst.

Seriously I hate hate hate how you played this. You raise so little pre that you are playing a bloated pot with a RIO hand vs a nut peddler. Then said nut peddler raises your turn bet. KJ is probably the bottom of his range here and you should be comfortably folding. He has AK or a boat a lot of the time here.

River is whatever.

It would also help if you had some idea of what hands villain was playing pre. If he's folding most hands, you have to figure he didn't limp K8, K4, etc. He limps KJ, KQ, AK type of hands probably.

Your $7 raise is absolutely horrible and you must adjust it. KJ is just not a hand you want to play 4 way pots with. You need to be pumping this to $15-25; whatever it takes to thin the field. If that still doesn't work, you have to start folding KJ from OOP.

i think i agree with all of this, especially after recapping the hand a few times. i was very close to folding the turn, but just couldn't get away.

as for his pre-flop hand range, he had played a fairly wide range, but was not particularly active after the flop, which should have been the obvious tell.

thanks for the feedback.

I don't understand preflop at all. Did we just raise to $7 after 2 limpers in a 1/3 game? Lol, what's the point? If the table is really passive, I could perhaps see me overlimping 2 limpers in MP with this crap and trying to hit bingo; but if the table is in any way aggro, I'd just dump it. If I was contemplating a raise, we need to go to at least $20+ to typically have a chance at narrowing the field; but attempting to rather lightly iso 2 limpers from MP with so many left to act behind us could be a recipe for disaster. All the small raise did is bloat a multiway pot where we actually have a dominated hand much of the time. I'd either overlimp or fold preflop.

I'd also typically bet smallish (1/2 PSB or so) on the flop.

If villain is in anyone bluffy, I might consider checking behind on the turn and bluffcatch / value bet the river. The more calling station / fishy the villain is, the more I'd bet. I'd probably lean towards a check back. I mean, unless villain is an uber drooler, there's not really a lotta hands (the case Kx?) that are going to call 3 postflop streets, although I guess we can certainly charge draws. I'm wishy washy on this bet.

I check/raise on a big street is usually a sign of danger. And we almost just got minraised, so he's expecting a call. Plus we got a speech. Plus we know this guy is capable of limp/calling big cards. This is a tough spot, imo.

Turn/River are really dependent on how bluffy this guy is or who much he could perhaps overvalue a hand. I think I manage a fold in there somewhere, but I'm certain I don't play the early streets the same and perhaps that makes for easier decisions on later streets where I'm not playing for huge chunks of my stack.

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Your 1/3 game obviously differs from mine, but a $12 raise after 1 limper / $15 raise after 2 limpers is typically going to go pretty multiway at my table.

this is a fold pre. you said yourself that villain has been limping pre with strong hands. Is there some other reason you thought you were ahead of his limping range ? Ap, raise more pre something around 3-4x + 1 for every limper. i would be raising 15 here if i thought i was ahead of villains limping range.

As played against an unknown I'm folding turn, with that speech we are never good.

i think we've pretty much established that the pre-flop play is terrible. i really like this play of checking back given the possibility of a check-raise and having good showdown value, but two questions.

1) am i missing a value bet too often? it seems like the answer is probably no given that i'm only getting called/raised by better and not getting called by too many hands - maybe a big draw, maybe a queen calls.

2) does checking back the turn make a river call fairly standard here - obviously bet sizing changes? to me, it seems like yes given the lack of information on the turn.

thanks for all the discussion.

1) In general, I probably play the turn more passive that most here, so keep that in mind. Yes, we probably miss value from draws, and of course the worse case K. But those draws will miss the majority of the time and if Villain is bluffy he'll often attempt to bluff busted draws on the river. We also will probably fold out most weaker hands (who are drawing slim), whereas a checkback will often get value from those hands on the river. At the very least, I don't think it's cut/dry.

2) Yes, if we check back the turn we're pretty much 100% calling river bets. We checked to induce / underrep our hand / not play for stacks, so we follow thru with that plan and snap call the river (unless it's some ******ed overbet size, where then we'll have a decision based on opponent).

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