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Originally Posted by Discretion
Ok so on the turn, I had played with this player before and he is a very very tight OMC. I expect him to show up with a set or top 2 on the turn every single time. As a result, I somehow thought I was getting ridiculous implied odds on the turn. Also, my image was pretty loose so I thought I could get paid off if I hit.
Unfortunately, I completely underestimated what level of OMC this guy was on. On the river, I thought about my decisions and decided that jamming was the best course of action. Unfortunately, he thought about it for about 6-7 minutes and after getting the clock called on him (by another player not me), folded JJ face up.
Clearly, I ****ed up on the turn now because I thought that if I called, I was getting paid off for the remaining stack on the river. I therefore calculated it as 55 to win around 500, not 200. In retrospect, I know that if I checked, he would have bet and might not have been able to fold to my jam. If I had bet smaller around half pot, he was snap calling. So being results-oriented, I made the worst possible play.
Preflop, I had shown massive aggression at this table bluffing in spots that I knew they would fold. I thought I would attract more nonbelievers when I have TPGK. And for those guys that say that this spot is exactly why I should fold KQo pre, why? If I had KQs it would have been literally the exact same spot. KQo I think I can dominate some good hands that would raise button though perhaps not the best candidate to play OOP. Are you guys calling with KQo on the button vs a MP open?
I'm not sure what types of games you guys are playing in but if I'm folding KQo pre there, then I'm playing maybe 10% of hands preflop. I'm never winning any money if I have a monster then because these guys would never put any money in when I raise (I feel like they actually pay attention). Also, I feel like a hand like KQo plays decently well 3 ways since I could flop TPGK all the time.
Oy...lots of stuff here
1) you can’t assume you’ll get stacks in you hit your straight with 100% certainty. Worst possible play would be to check the river, however.
2) no way OMC here calls a check/raise, especially if folded top set to a shove in the river. No guarantees OMC bets the river with an straight on the river. Most OMC’s I come across aren’t betting without the nuts. Also heads-up, they may check it down on river as sort of a gentlemanly play.
3) not encouraging you to play KQs and not KQo...however playing KQ, regardless suited/unsuited, in the BB here, is not ideal. Position is huge in poker. You gave no info on the Button on this hand, however, what do you think his range is here raising? If Button is a solid player, why get involved in a hand with him oop?
4) You are not going to flop TPGK all the time with KQ...only ~30%...also what happens if you hit your K or Q and an Ace comes out on the flop?
5) Are we really trying to get to showdowns with TPGK? If I was at a table and had an aggressive player and was going to pick a spot to call him out on a hand, I’m raising/jamming streets, not calling. Would you feel comfortable calling a shove on the river with TPGK?
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