Live 1/3 5 limps to me in BB I check KcJh (250 behind).

Flop Jc 8c 4c. I bet 15. MP and Button call.

Turn 7c. I check (with intention to check call all the way down). MP bets 20 Button calls and I call.

River 3d. I check. MP bets 95. Button Folds. Ditch the plan and fold the top of my range or make a "standard" call?

I'm confused, where is the part about him taking your pants off

Fold the turn bruh

But bruh i basically got the second nuts

But tbh that definitely crossed my mind before I thought I could still definitely have him beat here since my turn check looks like I don't have a club in my hand. My hand should have been to x/f river but im struggling to fold the second nuts.

Rip it in and rep the straight flush

I think I've been watching too much doug polk because in this situation my mind says to get the **** out because he's never bluffing there but I think back to doug polk, realize that I have the top of my range and shouldn't fold there. Maybe watching doug polk isn't the best way to learn how to crush live 1/2. GTO is a lower win rate than extremely extremely exploitable poker?

It's a limped pot

You're all terrible people leveling yourselves into thinking OP isn't actually serious.

This sentence makes my head hurt.

Oh, and fold river.

I'm going to refer to it as "balanced play" rather than GTO since apparently none of us know what it means (myself included)

Balanced play is great to know at any level. The value of balanced play is if you don't have reads on an opponent, you have a plan that should at least not lose you money, if not make a profit.

However, if you do have reads and are able to make exploitative adjustments, you can do better than balanced. Imagine some situation where it would be optimal for your opponent to bluff 1/2 pot 50% of the time. You need to call with 25% of your range in order to defend. But suppose you know villain will only bet with the nuts. You don't need to donate a half pot bet 25% of the time and stay balanced. You can just fold and save that money.

If you don't know, or you aren't sure, perhaps there is a chance, then you can lean towards the "balanced" line.

Where a lot of posters on this forum get in trouble is that they don't have any clue about the balanced line. They need to assume villain acts a certain way 100% of the time, otherwise they are lost. In reality there are a lot of situations where we don't have perfect reads on our opponents, or even players who seem super robotic push buttons once in a while (that is, we should weigh the "balanced line" slightly when making our decision rather than assume certain hands are totally impossible) So having an idea about balanced play is totally valuable even at 1/3. It just factors into your decisions less than it might at a more advanced level.

As for the actual line in the hand, I'd usually raise pre It's always nice to take down a bunch of limps preflop. Raising a hand like KJo over limps in the blinds is a lot different than calling a raise or raising it in MP. You're less likely to run into a dominating hand (as those are likely to have raised themselves)

As played I think check/calling turn is worse than leading. Do you expect Qc/Tc to bet for value or do you expect someone to bluff? You're going to lose a bet to Ac either way, might as well try to get value from worse.

Would be folding to the pot size bet on the river almost always. If we are really getting exploited with the limped pot multiway float then god bless him. I am taking the exploitable line because I almost never see that as a bluff at 1/3.

Do we never think V has a smaller club or is bluffing?

I don't think I'm folding here unless V is crazy passive.

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I occasionally see Kc checked back on the river so I don't expect a lot of value bets from Qc or worse. Especially not pot-sized.

As for bluffs, what would someone call flop with that would be a bluff on the turn and river? That they would bluff into two callers?

I think a bluff would be way more likely than a value bet with a worse hand, but I can't think of any possible bluffs outside of random button clicking, which is why I don't feel bad about folding to a PSB.

QcJx, Tc9x, Tx9c, 9c7x, 7x6c, 6c5x, 6x5c all possible. Various made hands with no club that decided to turn the hand into a bluff like AJ, KJ, TT no clubs. MP could even have something like T9 no club and is too daft to realize it's worthless on this board.

I bluff spots like this with air pretty often. Usually the other two players don't have a club or if they do it's a crummy one they might fold anyway. I mean we're considering folding the Kc so obviously this is a fantastic spot to bluff.

Pot sizes would help.

Flop: 17
Turn: 60
River: 120

A small bet on the turn polarizes his range to weak flushes or the nuts. He's going to have a weak flush more than 20% of the time, so folding is ridiculous on the turn. The river is a solid value bet, though. He's indicating that he wants to get paid off. Disappoint him.

The problem is that you had a weak plan and you gave up on it. Your plan on the turn was to call it down. I don't think that was the best plan (I'd rather bet on the turn), but once you have it, there's nothing that happened that should make you reconsider it. If you folded the river, you lost a learning opportunity. My guess is that you will still continue to be uncertain about how to play this hand again.

I don´t like that thinking at all.
It´s perfectly reasonable to change your action if you have a valid reason to do so.

As played, we don´t fold turn since we are getting way too good of a price and are beating his range when he bets 1/3 pot. you yourself recognized this by stating his range is weak flushes or the nuts. I don´t know whether or not thats accurate, and I strongly dislike the word "polarized" in this context, but if you believe your range is correct, you have to call.

Otr, you say "The river is a solid value bet, though. He's indicating that he wants to get paid off. Disappoint him.". your indicating, otr he is strongly tilted towards the nuts and we are not getting the right price. so his range changed, right?

we can´t blindly follow a "plan", regardless what villain is doing. that´s just button clicking. his range changes otr after he bombs it. Hero is right to reconsider his action.

I think DK barrell made a very good post on this hand anyway.

I dunno what basically having it means but you actually have the 4th nuts and somethings definitely changed from when villain bet on the turn to when he bet on the river.

BTW, I have no clue how you play hands without reads.

Easy call. Op's hand is underrepped, looks like he got scared by the 4th club, this is a bluff a lot of the time and if you fold here even a donk could exploit you.

If you lose be glad you lost the minimum, your average 1/2 player is losing a lot more $ on this hand. When you have the nut flush here you could probably stack someone who has your hand. Still getting 2:1 here it's a directly profitable call imo.

I also check preflop.

I'm ok with a flop bet but I wouldn't bet so much. We have a showdownable hand that doesn't want to build a big pot UI and we're not too afraid of the draws since we have a decent one ourselves. It also most likely allows us odds to call if raised (whereas if a PSB is raised it's doubtful we have IO to call). I'd bet closer to 1/2 PSB.

I also check the turn. At this point we often just have a bluffcatcher unless there is someone terrible enough at the table to be calling down two more streets with the 3rd obvoius nuts or lower. I think I'm ok with the turn call (ETA: I guess we can consider folding like wj says but the price is good and I think there's too good a chance someone takes a bluff shot at it here). With three people in the hand now on the river, we can pretty sure that no one is going to get too out-of-hand and likely make a fold if anyone bets.

Any reads on Villain? He'd have to be quite aggro to bet into two opponents on this board on the river or quite ******ed by betting worse that he thinks is for value. I'd mostly fold.

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