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09-26-2014 , 01:44 PM
My fifth hand at the table at a casino with electronic tables. I sat down with $267 (long story why I didn't just buy in for $200). BTN is a mid-50s stocky Italian-looking guy with the biggest stack at the table.

In just the first few hands I've already seen a few crazy moves (none by the villain on the BTN in this hand though) like calling EP PF raises with J2s, check-calling the flop and turn with flopped trips and not betting the river, stabbing at a turn with absolutely nothing etc.

In this hand I'm in UTG with AJ and I raise to $7. Four callers including the button.

Flop: Pot about $38. A69

I lead out for $25 hoping to get calls from weaker aces, heart draws and straight draws. Only BTN calls.

Turn: Pot about $88. 3

Great turn card for me and I bet $50. Villain tanks, looks at me, gets an evil sneer on his face and raises me to $150.

I have to admit that when I saw the 3 of clubs the thought that I might get raised didn't even occur to me so I didn't anticipate it. I was sure he'd either call with a weaker ace or fold a draw, the thought that he might bluff me or that he might be slowplaying AK, AQ, 66, 99, A9 or that he could hit A3 didn't even occur to me. I've made that mistake 100 times.

If I *hadn't* made that mistake and thought OK, clearly I bet $50 here because I'm ahead 9 times out of 10, what should I have decided I was going to do if raised?

Hope this made sense.
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09-26-2014 , 01:55 PM
Don't know if people play different on electronic tables but this seems to be classic Baluga Theorem fold spot.

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...fpart=all&vc=1
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09-26-2014 , 02:24 PM
Pretty much this.

Without prior reads generally when we get raised on the turn with a 1 pair hand, our hand is no good.

Oh well. Next heand.
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09-26-2014 , 02:49 PM
Raise bigger pre, you want to raise enough to thin the field down to 1-2 callers. If you are raising $16-18 and still getting several callers each time, you are at a fishy table and that's great... Will get lots of value for your hands but unfortunately can't cbet bluff enough.

Make it closer to a pot-sized bet on flop ($30 as played).

Turn bet sizing is fine as played. Now you fold, as others have said.

As far as how to think about sizing in a case like this... In general you want to make a decision as early as possible in a hand about whether you want to play for stacks. Usually you should know by the turn.

In this case, TP with an o.k. kicker at a crazy table where people can have ATC, you aren't playing for stacks. Therefore you have two options here for pot control: check either the turn or river, or bet small enough on all three streets where you can fold without getting sick odds to call a shove. The exception is if effective stacks are short enough where you are pretty much committed after 1-2 streets of betting.

$50 is a great turn bet here. You've put in ~$80 with ~$190 left behind. There's ~$175 in the pot and you have to call $100 more. 1.75 to 1 means you need about 37% equity make the call (1/2.75) and break even here, plus the fact that you can expect a shove on the river. If you stove his range (sets, 2 pair, big Aces, 78hh, mayyybe a flush draw) there's no way we are getting 37% to call.
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09-26-2014 , 08:21 PM
Thanks all.

Spoiler:
I agonized for about 30 seconds, kicking myself for not thinking ahead, and folded. The guy to my left said to the villain, "So was it ace-9 or pocket 6s"? The villain pointed at me and said to the guy, "He had pocket kings, he didn't have the ace". Even if he really did put me on pocket kings, I felt like folding was the correct decision. If I encountered the rare $1/$2NL villain who's willing to put $150 in a pot on a bluff FML.
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09-27-2014 , 11:32 AM
In your fifth hand at the table ABC poker is the way to go. Even if you've seen some stupid crap in 5 hands it's only 5 hands. Too risky to get more involved here, just fold. If after 20/30 hands he keeps it up, then you can consider calling in these spots, if he has any $ left.
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09-28-2014 , 08:38 AM
Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever experimented with flatting an EP PFR, floating a safe-looking flop and raising a safe-looking turn in cases where a villain has recently sat down on the table and the action and board make it look like he clearly has TPTK or an overpair, i.e. he raises UTG+! and you call with basically ATC or AHF (any hand with floppability like SA, SC, PP etc), board comes K93r, he bets and you call, turn is a 6 that puts the fourth suit on the board, he bets and you raise?
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09-28-2014 , 08:41 AM
I am seeing 1/2 players do weird things. I am getting it in here on a board like this. Also since I am new to the table, even more reason. They never believe you and if you are wrong, just rebuy.

Shove.
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09-28-2014 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan
Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever experimented with flatting an EP PFR, floating a safe-looking flop and raising a safe-looking turn in cases where a villain has recently sat down on the table and the action and board make it look like he clearly has TPTK or an overpair, i.e. he raises UTG+! and you call with basically ATC or AHF (any hand with floppability like SA, SC, PP etc), board comes K93r, he bets and you call, turn is a 6 that puts the fourth suit on the board, he bets and you raise?
Against an unknown at 1/2 this is lighting money on fire.

This play is for TAGs that have demonstrated competence, are likely to be able to make the fold here, and we have a tight image. K93 is not the best board either. Small boards look way scarier to AA.
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