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Old 05-05-2010, 05:32 AM   #1
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Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

Hero (CO): $250
BTN: $1000
BB: $250
UTG: $500

BTN is on a heater and has been rasing light, I have 3bet him a few times but I got a train of callers which limited my options on trying to C-bet. He is loose and agg preflop but plays much more straight forward after the flop, maybe taking his hands far because he can afford to with the big stack at the table. Cbets often when the preflop raiser.

UTG: I havnt seen much from this player, other than a hand were he overplayed TPTK (I think, not sure he folded) when both Hero and BTN player got it all in after flopping the nut straight (64os I was BB in that hand)

BB: Is a calling station, it complains all day long about hands, or he would of made this hand if he stayed. He bought in for $100 which was usually for him. He doesnt raise often...well not in texas holdem.

Pre-Flop: Hero is dealt T8
UTG limps, 2 players folds, 2 players limp, Hero limps, BTN makes it $15 to go, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero calls

Standard raise, standard action. Not sure if my call is correct, I am not saying everypot is raised, but often there is a $10-15 sweetener raise made by other players. And with the BTN with a huge stack he is happy to use position (I changed seats later on) and splash in a lot pots as he as been doing for the last 2 hours, just flopping the world everytime the stacks go in.

Flop: 762 (4 Players) $60
UTG checks, BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

I was planning on C/R the BTN as he often C-bets. I dont mind getting it all on the flop if he plays back at me. Anyway I get a free card and I plan to bet most turns card.

Turn: 7 (4 Players) $60
UTG checks, BB checks, Hero bets $45, BTN folds, UTG folds, BB calls.

Okay that didnt go well, didnt think anyone would call me after everyone checked. BB must have a hand like a 65, A6, 86 maybe A2 or maybe more likely 99/TT or JJ.

River: A (2 players) $150
BB checks, Hero...........?

My thoughts were "Can I move BB off a 6 here" I could easily have a 7 or an Ace in my hand as I could have AX for flush draw that now rivered an Ace. I dont think he checks a 7 here on the river, seems stupid to check 3 streets and I dont think he has an OP since he didnt raise preflop, flop or turn.

Maybe he has a missed flush draw himself
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Old 05-05-2010, 10:09 AM   #2
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Re: Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

Meh, on the one hand this seems like a good spot to fire another shell. On the other hand...

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It seems like every time I try this at 1/2, I get looked up light.
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Old 05-05-2010, 10:56 AM   #3
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Re: Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

You say that BB is the type to complain about hands all night. I presume this also means he is the type to complain about how unlucky he is... which means the A on the river is a certain scare card for him. Why else would he check?

(If my assumption is correct) I would use this expectation of bad luck against him. Your line so far represents a strong hand to the casual observer and you can't win the pot by checking. I'd fire out a $60-$70 bet here given what we know.
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Old 05-05-2010, 11:11 AM   #4
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Re: Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

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Meh, on the one hand this seems like a good spot to fire another shell. On the other hand...



It seems like every time I try this at 1/2, I get looked up light.
+100...I would only fire here against another reg who views me as tight. I always get called by unknowns here, that is why it is so profitable to play for the fat value at these limits. When you have the 7 you get paid.
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Old 05-05-2010, 11:36 AM   #5
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Re: Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

I prob bet $35 here. I think he calls $35 as much as he calls $60.
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Old 05-05-2010, 11:41 AM   #6
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Re: Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

I don't like trying to go for a c/r on this flop, I would prefer a lead. You want to start building a pot for when you hit and potentially barrel somebody off of a weak hand. If everyone folds, nice, you won the pot with 10-high. This isn't really a flop texture that BTN is going to c-bet with air against three people too often unless he's a complete loose cannon.

As for the river, I think I would give up. If he does have a 6/7+ or an A he's obviously never folding it. It sounds funny, but we actually have showdown value against most of his missed draws (98/45/85/35 etc) I guess we're just trying to fold out QJhh or K9hh and 9T on the river with a bet?

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Old 05-05-2010, 01:21 PM   #7
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Re: Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

Preflop I don`t love it but I don`t hate it, both times. You are in good position but your hand is fairly weak and even if you hit a flush you might lose. I suspect the one gapper is a lot worse than the connector just because while one or two possible straights doesn`t seem like a big deal when you consider how rare it is to make a straight. Then you are raised by the guy in position on you, who probably doesn`t have a huge hand so even if you hit something you might not get much from him. But it`s not the worst play ever, and might even be +EV so it`s no big deal.

On the flop check raise is a fine play. You are in great absolute position to pull this, and might be able to trap one or two players, win their call and take down the pot uncontested. Since button is aggro it is more likely he will bet the flop light. OTOH it is four way so leading could be preferred since he might very well check behind. I often check back in four way pots whilst I usually c-bet heads up and am c-beting three way more often these days (with relative air I mean).

Betting the turn is fine, but not mandatory. Since everyone has shown a disinclination to win this pot though, you might as well.

I don`t see BB with an over pair, because he would probably lead the turn with one. Since he is a calling station giving up is fine, but this is a great river card to bet. If you had a pair you should always check here, but since you do not, and since you lose to almost any high card hand, and he could have a draw that even a calling station would fold high cards here I don`t mind a bet. You want to bet small, but I don`t think you can bet less than $50 since the pot is $150 already. It`s a coin flip really.
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Old 05-05-2010, 08:52 PM   #8
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Re: Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

I'm betting this river AI a lot...he isn't a good enough hand reader to see you can almost never have anything here
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Old 05-06-2010, 08:10 AM   #9
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Re: Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

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I'm betting this river AI a lot...he isn't a good enough hand reader to see you can almost never have anything here
So what hands do you think he will fold here?

I dont think he will fold a 88/99/TT and JJ but will fold a 6.
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Old 05-06-2010, 11:38 AM   #10
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Re: Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

I think c/r the flop is a good play but once it gets checked through and a crappy turn card like that rolls off id c/c.

Id take 99-JJ out of bb's range aswell b/c i would expect him to lead that turn most of time
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:13 AM   #11
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Re: Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

I bet $80 OTR and he said "Thats the worst card on the river" and then he called with JJ.
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Old 05-11-2010, 10:37 AM   #12
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Re: Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

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I think c/r the flop is a good play but once it gets checked through and a crappy turn card like that rolls off id c/c.

Id take 99-JJ out of bb's range aswell b/c i would expect him to lead that turn most of time
Do you attempt to bluff the riv or just give up?
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:09 AM   #13
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Re: Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

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Do you attempt to bluff the riv or just give up?
It seems to me if we bet the turn we kinda need to bet the river. Is that an incorrect connection? Like..it seems to me that we don't have a good enough idea of the ranges of all our villains to bluff two streets here, 4-way.
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Old 05-11-2010, 11:16 AM   #14
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Re: Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

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It seems to me if we bet the turn we kinda need to bet the river. Is that an incorrect connection? Like..it seems to me that we don't have a good enough idea of the ranges of all our villains to bluff two streets here, 4-way.
Thats ture I have a hard putting 3-4 other players on a range of hands only if there is some action then I can define it better, I didnt feel the need to mention other players range as only BB called.

Its difficult to say UTG has such and such a hand since he checked the flop and folded to a bet OTT, same goes for BTN.
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Re: Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

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Do you attempt to bluff the riv or just give up?
I would probably bluff the river depending on the opponent
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Old 05-11-2010, 01:42 PM   #16
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Re: Live $1/2: T8sooted, flop gut-shot Straight flush draw

Personally i wouldn't bet this river, simply for the fact you described him as a calling station, i also think your range of hands suited well to this board and with both these factors i think he's calling any bet you make on the river.
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